Le 08.07.2014 22:46, Steve Litt a écrit :
On Tue, 08 Jul 2014 13:12:26 +0200
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
I can't, but I want to ask some questions about that problem you
describe.
Are remote desktop the majority of linux uses?
Do you really need remote capabilities when you use your own
computer?
What is the need of remote desktops on servers which are not
dedicated?
In short, is it smart to give a dependency to everyone for something
which seems really addressing a problem for a minority? Especially
when it makes that much noise?
Indeed, it's nice to have a software able to solve those issues.
But,
why not only making it a opt-in, instead of opt-out?
Because of the major DEs? Seriously, I think they are wrong since
the
day I definitely switched on linux, from windows, because windows'DE
tries to do too much, and so takes a lot more resources that it
really should. But...
I am not trying to impose my opinion and my uses to everyone (ok, to
be honest, when I can convince someone to use i3, I try hehe. But I
will never ask for the removal of gnome as the default Debian's
DE.).
I just realized why I'm skeptical about what I've heard about
systemd.
My first car was a 1959 Plymouth with a 3 speed manual and a flathead
6
engine. You could hold a dance in the engine compartment. I could do
a
complete tune-up, including timing, in 30 minutes, using just an 8
inch
adjustable wrench and a gapping tool.
Now I have a very nice 2012 Jeep Patriot, with power windows and
locks
(only one keyhole on the whole thing). I wouldn't even try to replace
the air filter on it. A certain part of my longs for my 59 Plymouth.
One could say that if I really believed in that philosophy, I'd use
Slackware or Arch. That's a valid argument, as is the fact that I
wouldn't use a 12 mile per gallon 59 Plymouth anymore. But there's a
spectrum. Yeah, I'm not going to use a 59 Plymouth anymore, but if it
had been available, I would have chosen a model without electric
windows, electronic doorlocks, electronic entry, speed sensitive
steering and suspension. If I could have it without messing up the
air,
I'd prefer not to have all that smog control equipment bolted all
over
the engine, making it impossible for an owner to do a decent tuneup.
The problem is, for me, that some equipments which makes the engine
hard to tinker are useful to not reject lot of crap in air.
But, on the other hand, stuff which we now can't not have like electric
windows, GPS, electronic doorlocks, etc, are exactly the inverse. We
have to have them, but they pollute: the energy they have, is taken from
battery, which is recharged through the engine by adding more charge
(And I won't speak about the production of all this electronic, and the
problems those stuff gave! And it's not a ghost, my driver's side window
is a proof of that.).
So, in the absolute, yes, it's better than what we had, but we could
still be able to reduce the problems given.
Now, I think lot of people nowadays would be unable to find their way
without a GPS (and it is so fun to listen them complain about the wrong
paths they took, that in a sense I would lose something too hehehe) or
assistance to turn the steering wheel...
I never have driven cars as old as yours, but my first one did not had
lot of stuff (Renault Clio dated from 1989, IIRC) but I had considerably
less problems than with my current, which only have 12-13 more years
(and so, not completely "smart").
Back to the subject, if you want to compare things completely, if you
use a classic DE, you are already using your 2012 car. Systemd won't
make things more complex on that kind of systems, in fact, they are so
bloated that I guess it will ease users to have some control on those
beasts.
Systemd will provide easier control of daemons, like dbus, pulseaudio
etc, which are in fact just useless for me (and so are not on my own
system) --but, they are not just useless, for example dbus is needed to
allow workarounds, like allowing simple users to configure the network.
Some sort of sudo, in fact. I am thinking about network-manager here--.
It's nice for KDE/Gnome, but bad for my special case of being a tinkerer
which likes minimal systems, it's not.
And why do I like minimal systems as a tinkerer? Because they are
easier to understand, and maintain. Minimal systems also allows their
users to actually read the changelogs when there are updates: I would
not ever try if I had all recommended packages installed, and doing it
for a Gnome/KDE desktop is just something which haunt my nights. Back to
windows? :/
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