On Tue, Mar 11, 2025 at 04:29:24PM +0100, Simon Josefsson wrote:
However if Debian dismiss those ideas, the argument that the fully free
installer doesn't exist because "nobody is working on this, go create
them and it will happen" does not seem valid to me.  My reading is that
these images doesn't exist because Debian had a vote saying they should
not exist.  I hope this will change in the future.  Creating them won't
change the decision, but it may be input to renewed discussion.

Debian had a vote where we made it clear that we were ok with making use of limited project + developer resources and only testing + shipping an installer which also includes the non-free-firmware component. It wasn't "this should not exist" it was "we're not trying to double your workload, images team".

I've not seen _anyone_ suggest that the project would try and stop someone from going off any building CD images that didn't include non-free-firmware, just that we don't expect the existing images team to have to expend more effort to make that happen.

J. - Bored of this argument going round in circles.

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