On Sun, Mar 09, 2025 at 03:58:59PM +0100, Simon Josefsson wrote: > > Agreed. However none of that hardware require me to load non-free > firmware from my operating system, which is my point. That situation is > sufficient for me to accept to use the hardware and install an operating > system built without non-free software on it. >
Simon, Installing using the Debian installer doesn't *require* you to carry on with the firmware. You can readily remove it - especially if you use the expert install - you are not required to enable the repository in your /etc/apt/sources.list and so on. The installer does list the firmware suggested for install to enable all devices - you don't have to take that suggestion. So - if you don't *see* the need for firmware expressed and firmware is already in the machine you install on, that's fine? We've *had* this argument and the Project as a whole decided by a slim margin that the effort to maintain an installer relatively free of firmware (but including free firmware) AND an installer containing non-free firmware to aid installation of Debian was too much effort. To everyone wishing for this: If you want to make a Trisquel-ised Debian installer with a linux-libre kernel and no firmware, fine - happy for you and relatively happy to see you succeed. At that point there will no longer be a need for the Trisquel fork of Debian to continue on that basis and that will represent a consolidation of effort where Trisquel developers can then concentrate on Debian and stop being downstream of a downstream. . In the interim: That makes *lots* more effort for the Debian Project, lots more space needed for media and so on, as outlined earlier in the thread. Please feel free to step up and contribute significant effort yourself to see all of this come to pass. Andy Cater (amaca...@debian.org) > /Simon
