-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 02/16/2014 10:00 AM, Philipp Matthias Hahn wrote:
> Hello, > > On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 09:17:46AM +0100, Helmut Grohne wrote: >> There is no journalctl on that system. So what do I do now? > > The same you do when your log file has those .Z, .gz, .bz2, .lzma, > .xz, .pgp, "your compresion program of the decade" extensions: You > install the missing software and life goes on. > > "But those are installed by default!" you might say, for which I'll > just answer: "wait for Jessie: then systemd will be installed by > default, too." ;-) Actually, what I'd say is "But those are useful for many other things than interacting with logs.". I don't want my log files in a specialized or dedicated format, and I don't want to need or rely on a specialized tool for working with them. I want to be able to work with them using general-purpose tools. I can hypothetically imagine the 'journal' file format becoming generally used, as e.g. a generic indexing format or the like; if that happened, I don't think I'd have a problem with the tools for working with it being relied on and required (perhaps as libraries) by journald/journalctl, and being necessary for working with standard system log files. It's the specialized / dedicated nature of the tools (and, I presume, the format) that I object to, beyond just the binary nature of the file format. (And now I wait for someone to point out an obvious specialized format and/or tool that everyone uses that I've overlooked...) - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJTATQSAAoJEASpNY00KDJrSJYP/isxGEWJQScD6DCEkJvd9Uyg /Rxbj/TkE0YHC1SpxWh1zy1VnnhsP1E8MbbKZ5X7Byg7CjQKZ9LPPkQ0Ht2uc4B3 8O8R3opcz6UDF7FR5il1CvAvuPzzNjyzKdviHNoQPoKrKnzUFSSEcoqGPOFcBlq4 7z54T5JNppb0QjGZJzQnElx8YTbbmkCSzvkhaYy96CbYRetMwxKXq/5kew5xQvAE pqzxX5fgwKtJXUN14mi+Kg9//wzduW+FDGVDDWg5K7oWYiIttIF+FCoHQvgiSgKI W5ftbCU2GRqfuzI8ua2Zvt73rY4Zlix8kBdl3mCQ9stItY8xyU9yH3pq9wepN30/ kf/rsyDwfwXgi9IVG83VpQcyck6uvhd/D/mGFdKmXruT4y+OWeai7BH+7Rg4o8qs p6I09BFWw7WAMVL/EuFWS2EwzjFp5S6sxIstCKafACbf7LqHI9y/YsahIT+guX8x hCGLJtwHCsUahrHYhjq+qWh7/4IuMVszq+qKnltCJdSsdub2sTDkoPMCF6buYdo0 eiQNOOlQEFss8wOw/7pZieWm3Pra9yojT5KtP5Bd9llmzN+kJmuc9hnwkPlm4LeI t8Sgtxq7HXQSC2nnm6/DEvpfzVGyGVUAKKTtpg4fHjVxlmjJWwp2oFIVcnInDLyd kTN3+a/Rp9n1NZfQ+wLM =SLvr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/53013413.2000...@fastmail.fm
