Hi,
On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 14:33:19 +0100 Cyril Brulebois <k...@debian.org> wrote: > Kentaro HAYASHI <ken...@xdump.org> (2024-12-28): > > Thanks, I didn't know that way yet. > > You're welcome! > > > Surely it seems better to do it there. > > Alright, I've built (many more but I'm only publishing) two mini.iso, > one called “pristine” (without font-related changes) except it came > with a +10 on the font size to help me spot differences, and another > one called “motoyalcedar” (using MotoyaLCedar for Japanese) also with > a +10 on the font size. > > Some differences I spotted (keeping in mind I know close to nothing > about Japanese): > - vertical space between lines is less important with MotoyaLCedar; > - hiragana and katakana glyphs are slightly different, but that's the > kind of small differences I'd expect in different fonts, what you > called “font styling”; > - some kanji glyphs looked like they could fall in the “small > differences” category, but your webpage helped me spot 入 in the > hostname screen (first paragraph, first line), making it clear it's > indeed correct with MotoyaLCedar, and incorrect with the default > font. On the following screen (domain name), I think maybe 分 is > also incorrect (Han vs. Japanese), at least that'd be my reading of > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E5%88%86 (extra horizontal stroke at > the top with the default font, which goes away with MotoyaLCedar)? > (First paragraph, first line, towards the end.) Thank you for looking into this issue. Yes, there are many different typeface (glyph) were rendererd for Japanese. e.g. I've given it a talk before about this issue in local Debian meeting (NOTE: written by Japanese ) https://slide.rabbit-shocker.org/authors/kenhys/tokyodebian-d-i-font-202307/?page=8 > Using motoyalcedar would mean an extra 2 MB in the initramfs, which > looks like a lot compared to 3 MB for fonts-android-udeb, so maybe > it'd be worth thinking a little more about this before submitting a > udeb addition to src:fonts-motoya-l-cedar and adding it to pkg-lists. > > I'm not saying this is a minor issue or “Japanese isn't worth the > extra 2 MB” of course, your webpage is pretty clear about how bad it > looks to native speakers, and the “latin” equivalent you included to > demonstrate that is top-notch! > > Your webpage mentioned Noto, which we already include (with just > Sinhala and Gujarati in the installer). The source package features > more fonts, but apparently not for Japanese, maybe that would be > worth exploring? > > > In any case it might be worth bumping the font size a little for > Japanese (by 1 or 2, maybe not 10 like I did for the tests above…)? At that time (2023), I've considered MotoyaLCedar is the best font (point of view of size and quality), but idealy BIZ UDGothic (fonts-morisawa-bizud-gothic) might be the best because it is universal design font and improves readability and visibility. But as you say, it takes extra cost about additional font size as same as MotoyaLCedar (even more). It is happy if this font-size issue was technically resolved somehow. (I don't know the way yet ) Regards,
