On Sun, 2007-06-17 at 21:02 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Let's assume the game time is set at 10 ms. A random move computer > program will win over any player in this sub-space of the universe who > does not have a chip as well as an electronic interface in his body. > Would such a champion mean anything?
Yes. It would mean silicon is better at that time control. I think Remi was making the point that the CrazyStone games were played at a time control not usually played in serious games. Therefore he concludes the rating was inflated. I didn't understand this at first because he made it sound like there was a glitch in time-keeping or something - at least that's how I understood it. Of course I'm well aware of the fact that computers play better relative to humans at faster time controls. I'm not as forgiving about games lost on time. I consider that a valid loss even if you have a won position. If you spend too much time building up a won position, how can you claim a "moral victory" if you lose on time? Would you have still had a won position if you had played quickly? If the answer is yes, then why didn't you play more quickly? What if 2 human players had played at that time control and under those rules and conditions? What is the clock for anyway if time loss is not supposed to be a valid way to lose? - Don > > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Dailey > To: computer-go > Sent: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 9:19 pm > Subject: Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to GNU and to MoGoBot19! > > On Sun, 2007-06-10 at 21:40 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Just one comment. The statement that 'it (CrazySton) has a 2k rating > > on KGS...' could be misleading. Crazystone never achived 2k rating > > against human player in real gemes. It achieved the ranking by > > basically winning on time. > > > > Daniel Liu > > I don't think I understand this. Is there a KGS problem with > time-keeping? > Did something happen that unfairly caused the player to lose on time? > > Those games should be erased and the ratings retracted if that's easy > for > William Shubert to do. Did the player(s) complain about this? > > - Don > > > > _______________________________________________ > computer-go mailing list > computer-go@computer-go.org > http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at AOL.com. > _______________________________________________ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
