On Sun, 2007-06-10 at 22:42 -0400, Jeff Nowakowski wrote: > On Sun, 2007-06-10 at 22:19 -0400, Don Dailey wrote: > > Did something happen that unfairly caused the player to lose on time? > > No, but the games were absolute time games where CrazyStone was often in > a losing position but ended up winning on time. The endgame in Go takes > a long time but is mostly just cleanup. That is why a small amount of > time to play each move is usually allowed, even in fast games.
It seems like it would make sense in GO (especially on big boards) to add 2 seconds to each move, even if one is interested in getting the basic feel of a sudden death (absolute time) games without the tears. This is useful for computers too because it's hard to predict how many moves a game is. > The 2k rank is not indicative of how well CrazyStone would play in a > typical game of Go. It's like a 1 minute lightning game in Chess; you > wouldn't use that to rank a computer. It just isn't very interesting. I understand. You can of course rank a computer and call it a speed-chess or speed-go rating. You just can't assume they would play that well at longer time controls. Oddly, you CAN play fast human vs human and not have too much of this problem. The problem is the fact that humans improve more than computers do at longer time controls. Otherwise, it would be fair to rate both computer and human at any reasonable time control. I think it would be fair to give the human one additional second per move no matter what time control they were playing - to compensate for the hand-eye coordination handicap the human has to deal with. Could a reasonably skilled human play a 19x19 games with 1 second per move? Let's say he starts with 5 seconds and 1 second is added to his clock after each move. I'm not asking for a high quality game, but could he manage a non-silly plausible game using cgoban on KGS? In chess, strong masters can play on a physical board, with a chess clock, at much less than 1 second per move and still play high quality moves (at least by the standards of club players.) It's easier to physically move a chess piece than to move one with a mouse on a screen. But in GO you don't have to move a stone, you just need a single click so it is probably easier. - Don > -Jeff > _______________________________________________ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
