I’ve had mixed experience with Rule pumps in three years on Grenadine. She came with an old Rule-Mate 1100 that still works as intended. Before the 2017 season I added a second Rule-Mate 1100 under the mast step, and it came from the store with an inoperative internal water sensor, so automatic mode was useless, and reversed internal wiring or impeller so that it just churned the bilge water instead of pumping it out the discharge hose. And yes, I’m certain I wired it correctly - this past offseason I unstepped the mast and put in a replacement new Rule Mate 1100 which works as intended on the exact same wiring - which I’d completely replaced before the 2017 season with right-sized / oversized wire. There are a lot of negative reviews of these Rule-Mate pumps on westmarine.com <http://westmarine.com/> (one of them mine, the most-liked negative review there).
On a related topic, when I overhauled the bilge plumbing before the 2017 season, I chose not to install check valves in the discharge hoses because I was pretty influenced by http://www.yachtsurvey.com/bilge_pumps.htm <http://www.yachtsurvey.com/bilge_pumps.htm>. I wrote a long post to the list about my thought process - http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/2017-March/091421.html <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/2017-March/091421.html>. Turns out I drained my batteries twice last season from a cycling bilge pump, because I didn’t manually pump the bilge often enough. And that sucked - I had to pull the batteries out, bring them home, put them on a charger, take them back and put them in, etc. Fortunately I didn’t kill the battery life with those mistakes - they’ve been working fine. Pain is a great teacher, so this past offseason I relaxed my principles and installed Whale Gusher check valves in the discharge hoses. Now I’m worried that the little rubber joker valves inside those check valves will fail and lead to pump cycling again. The big rubber joker valve in my Jabsco head only lasts about a year, I’ve found, after which it leaks and allows backflow. Cheers, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO > On Jul 25, 2018, at 6:35 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > > I was referring to premature failure of pumps due to low voltage. Just a > guess on my part. > > Touche' has a Rule 1500 gph bilge pump that has worked well for 15+ years. I > use a Rule 35 float switch which has had one failure in 20 years. I have not > seen the high failure rate for rule pumps that others have seen. > > On my list is to replace the Rule float switch with a USS mini float switch > if it will fit. The bilge on a 35-1 is fairly shallow. > > https://www.amazon.com/Ultra-Safety-Systems-Switch-UPS-06-12/dp/B00CGJS4PQ > <https://www.amazon.com/Ultra-Safety-Systems-Switch-UPS-06-12/dp/B00CGJS4PQ> > > My opinion is the USS mini switch is very reliable. > > Dennis C. > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 9:53 PM, rjcasciato--- via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: > Hi Dennis > Are you referring to a bilge pump or the bilge pump high water switch... > What's the model number of the system you've installed? > Thanks > Ron C. > > > Sent from XFINITY Connect Application > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: capt...@gmail.com <mailto:capt...@gmail.com> > Sent: 2018-07-24 10:30:37 PM > Subject: Re: Stus-List I am so done with bilge pumps... > > Bob alludes to a critical but often overlooked issue. Wiring that is too > small to carry the amperage of a user, in this case, a bilge pump, can result > in excessive voltage drop. Low voltage could contribute to premature failure. > > I second the Ultra Safety Systems bilge pump. I don't have one on Touche' > (yet) but my buddy and I installed a bunch of them over the years. To my > knowledge, they are all still working. > > Dennis C. > Touche' 35-1 #83 > Mandeville, LA > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 6:26 PM, Robert Boyer via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: > I’ll add a little bit to this discussion...up until this year I was replacing > RULE Super Switches every year—sometimes they didn’t even last a year. I > never had a problem with my RULE 1500 bilge pump, just the float switches. I > recently changed over to a float switch made by ULTRA systems and I love it. > It hasn’t been a year yet but it is manufactured so much better than the RULE > float switches that I’m sure it will last several years at least. > > I’ve also replaced my bilge pump wiring and went up one size from the minimum > needed to do the job. All connections are done with heat shrink connectors > too. > > Bob > > Bob Boyer > s/v Rainy Days > C&C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230) > (Presently in Baltimore for the summer) > blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com <http://dainyrays.blogspot.com/> > email: dainyr...@icloud.com <mailto:dainyr...@icloud.com> > > On Jul 24, 2018, at 6:54 PM, Richard via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com > <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: > >> David, can you provide a few more details? What do you have currently and >> what quit working? I have bilge pump issues myself and need to do something >> different with my setup, thanks >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jul 24, 2018, at 6:36 PM, David via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: >> >>> Every friggin year more BS. So changing out primary to diaghram and >>> secondary (3000+ gph) to a higher quality (not Rule) pump recirculating. >>> >>> Any brand suggestions? >>> >>> Thanks in advance. >>> >>> Get Outlook for Android >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and >>> every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use >>> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >>> <https://www.paypal.me/stumurray> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and >> every one is greatly appreciated. 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