Mike:
Let me get back to you about the icebreaker on May 9th.....it depends on
the weather and the availability of my brother to do boat
work......appreciate the invitation. AZURA was in the water and all
set to sail last year by May 9th....all I have done this year is removed
the cover.
I am 'Rob' to my family and 'Bob' to the rest of the world.......with a
few adult beverages, they both sound alike to me.
Bob
AZURA
On 2015-04-28 11:13 PM, Hoyt, Mike wrote:
Rob
First. When did you stop being Bob?
Second. ice breaker may 9. come out of retirement and sail on
persistence V. ( I did the transport cad registration)
mike
Persistence
Splashing this week
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*Sent:* April 28, 2015 8:01 PM
*To:* dwight veinot; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List rig tuning
What Dwight is referencing is a race we did with a Kirby 25 and were
embarrassed on the race course. And we were especially bad on
starboard tack....we kept wondering all day what was wrong....almost
blaming one another for our poor performance, e.g. you can't be
pointing high enough, you can't have my sails trimmed. After the
race, first we discovered the shroud turnbuckles were not pinned.....I
thought they were because I thought I pinned them after I tensioned
rig tension. Dwight discovered by applying Pythagorean's theorem that
the top of the mast was out of column by 18" to port. Any wonder why
the boat was not performing the way it/we previously did.
That never happened a second time!
The 32's rig is set at cap shrouds 1,300 lbs., lowers 1,200,
intermediates 500 lbs., backstay at rest 1,000 lbs., babystay 600
lbs......haven't measured the headstay tension but it is about 4" to
6" bowed with a 135% under power. And since I stopped racing, I have
become lazy and am just happy to have my mast in column and the rig
not bending/stressing the boat, and go sailing almost every day during
our sailing season..... averaged over 100 days per season for the last
5 years on AZURA....and that does not include a dozen or so sails each
season on other people's boats.
Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.
On 2015-04-28 7:15 PM, dwight veinot wrote:
Robert
I think you might have learned the hard way about what rig tune means
in that race we had with the K25 when we got whooped big time,
especially on stbd tack...no good at all if the mast isn't plumb,
right???
I am not sure if anyone can feel tension as accurately as the gage
does it and the less expensive Loos gage for wire rigging ain't too
bad either...i like it, at least it tells me stbd is the same tension
as port but you have to use it right...everybody here, don't ever
underestimate the importance of rig tune for performance, and that
means perfromance as a function of expected wind strength and as wind
strength varies so does optimum rig tension on these older boats,
especially for pointing...y'all have to find out the hard way by
experimenting with your own craft...a gage is essential for that
experiment...Rob has the right gear for tuning rod rigging, he sets
his rig up year after year for what works best on his 32, he doesn't
race Azura so he doesn't vary his optimum rig tension for wind
conditions all that ofeten, maybe a little more tension when the
heavy fall winds hit here...no matter he likes what he got and that's
OK until another 32 on the same point of sail blows him
away...everyone is still learning, me, you and him too, get a gage
and have some fun experimenting...watch you angle to apparent wind
and your speed over ground on the GPS!!!
Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, */Alianna/*
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net <mailto:d.ve...@bellaliant.net>
On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 4:40 PM, robert via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
On everything up top on the standing rigging, I now use only SS
cotter pins.....this is because on several occasions, and I can
not explain how it happened, the split rings vanished. Luckily,
nothing fell down before the missing split ring was detected. I
have no explanation how the split rings disappeared but I do know
that since being replaced with cotter pins, there has not been
been a missing pin.
The thread Subject is "rig tuning"......on that note I have rod
rigging and a Loos RT10 tuning gauge is a must for me......I
can't pull on shrouds and tell how much tension is there. Now
someone will chime in and tell me to measure my threads in the
turnbuckles. But how do you initially do that without a
reference point with the benefit of a gauge.
When we were campaigning our Kirby 25, we made rig adjustments
depending on the conditions. We still used a Loos gauge to take
the guessing out of the equation.
I shouldn't admit this but I will.....on my shroud turnbuckles, I
use the small plastic pull/lock strings (or whatever they are
called). Once I get my rig tuned early in the Spring after a few
sails, it stays that way all season unless I adjust it after
periodic checking with the Loos gauge and sighting the mast, of
course.
Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.
With the cover just removed and no launch date set yet.
On 2015-04-28 2:02 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List wrote:
Tim,
How often do you make adjustments? Do you have a tension gauge
for rod rigging?
Joel
On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I got those (wrap pins) last year - and am very happy with
them - no sharp edges, no messing around with rigging tape
to make adjustments.
Tim
Mojito
C&C 35-3
Branford, CT
On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 9:03 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Might give these a try too.
http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1|10918|2303303|2303306&id=2546248
<http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1%7C10918%7C2303303%7C2303306&id=2546248>
On Apr 28, 2015 9:48 AM, "Pete Shelquist via CnC-List"
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
wrote:
A comment was made to me the other day that if an
insurance company sees split rings at the rigs
turnbuckles (vs cotter pins) that coverage will be
null and void. I found nothing in my policy stating
this detail.
Anyone else ever hear of this?
Thanks,
Pete
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