Speaking of forestay, what is the proper way to determine the correct forestay tension? Dave
On Apr 28, 2015, at 7:14 PM, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Robert, > > I think the only things missing from your setup numbers are rake and > pre-bend. Our forestay length is also very easy to adjust (not that I do > often). > > Thanks, > > Tim > > > On Apr 28, 2015, at 4:01 PM, robert via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > >> What Dwight is referencing is a race we did with a Kirby 25 and were >> embarrassed on the race course. And we were especially bad on starboard >> tack....we kept wondering all day what was wrong....almost blaming one >> another for our poor performance, e.g. you can't be pointing high enough, >> you can't have my sails trimmed. After the race, first we discovered the >> shroud turnbuckles were not pinned.....I thought they were because I thought >> I pinned them after I tensioned rig tension. Dwight discovered by applying >> Pythagorean's theorem that the top of the mast was out of column by 18" to >> port. Any wonder why the boat was not performing the way it/we previously >> did. >> >> That never happened a second time! >> >> The 32's rig is set at cap shrouds 1,300 lbs., lowers 1,200, intermediates >> 500 lbs., backstay at rest 1,000 lbs., babystay 600 lbs......haven't >> measured the headstay tension but it is about 4" to 6" bowed with a 135% >> under power. And since I stopped racing, I have become lazy and am just >> happy to have my mast in column and the rig not bending/stressing the boat, >> and go sailing almost every day during our sailing season..... averaged over >> 100 days per season for the last 5 years on AZURA....and that does not >> include a dozen or so sails each season on other people's boats. >> >> Rob Abbott >> AZURA >> C&C 32 - 84 >> Halifax, N.S. >> >> On 2015-04-28 7:15 PM, dwight veinot wrote: >>> Robert >>> >>> I think you might have learned the hard way about what rig tune means in >>> that race we had with the K25 when we got whooped big time, especially on >>> stbd tack...no good at all if the mast isn't plumb, right??? >>> >>> I am not sure if anyone can feel tension as accurately as the gage does it >>> and the less expensive Loos gage for wire rigging ain't too bad either...i >>> like it, at least it tells me stbd is the same tension as port but you have >>> to use it right...everybody here, don't ever underestimate the importance >>> of rig tune for performance, and that means perfromance as a function of >>> expected wind strength and as wind strength varies so does optimum rig >>> tension on these older boats, especially for pointing...y'all have to find >>> out the hard way by experimenting with your own craft...a gage is essential >>> for that experiment...Rob has the right gear for tuning rod rigging, he >>> sets his rig up year after year for what works best on his 32, he doesn't >>> race Azura so he doesn't vary his optimum rig tension for wind conditions >>> all that ofeten, maybe a little more tension when the heavy fall winds hit >>> here...no matter he likes what he got and that's OK until another 32 on the >>> same point of sail blows him away...everyone is still learning, me, you and >>> him too, get a gage and have some fun experimenting...watch you angle to >>> apparent wind and your speed over ground on the GPS!!! >>> >>> Dwight Veinot >>> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna >>> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS >>> d.ve...@bellaliant.net >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 4:40 PM, robert via CnC-List >>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> On everything up top on the standing rigging, I now use only SS cotter >>> pins.....this is because on several occasions, and I can not explain how it >>> happened, the split rings vanished. Luckily, nothing fell down before the >>> missing split ring was detected. I have no explanation how the split rings >>> disappeared but I do know that since being replaced with cotter pins, there >>> has not been been a missing pin. >>> >>> The thread Subject is "rig tuning"......on that note I have rod rigging and >>> a Loos RT10 tuning gauge is a must for me......I can't pull on shrouds and >>> tell how much tension is there. Now someone will chime in and tell me to >>> measure my threads in the turnbuckles. But how do you initially do that >>> without a reference point with the benefit of a gauge. >>> >>> When we were campaigning our Kirby 25, we made rig adjustments depending on >>> the conditions. We still used a Loos gauge to take the guessing out of the >>> equation. >>> >>> I shouldn't admit this but I will.....on my shroud turnbuckles, I use the >>> small plastic pull/lock strings (or whatever they are called). Once I get >>> my rig tuned early in the Spring after a few sails, it stays that way all >>> season unless I adjust it after periodic checking with the Loos gauge and >>> sighting the mast, of course. >>> >>> Rob Abbott >>> AZURA >>> C&C 32 - 84 >>> Halifax, N.S. >>> >>> With the cover just removed and no launch date set yet. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2015-04-28 2:02 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List wrote: >>>> Tim, >>>> >>>> How often do you make adjustments? Do you have a tension gauge for rod >>>> rigging? >>>> >>>> Joel >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List >>>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>> I got those (wrap pins) last year - and am very happy with them - no sharp >>>> edges, no messing around with rigging tape to make adjustments. >>>> >>>> Tim >>>> Mojito >>>> C&C 35-3 >>>> Branford, CT >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 9:03 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List >>>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>> Might give these a try too. >>>> >>>> http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1|10918|2303303|2303306&id=2546248 >>>> >>>> On Apr 28, 2015 9:48 AM, "Pete Shelquist via CnC-List" >>>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>> A comment was made to me the other day that if an insurance company sees >>>> split rings at the rigs turnbuckles (vs cotter pins) that coverage will be >>>> null and void. I found nothing in my policy stating this detail. >>>> >>>> >>>> Anyone else ever hear of this? >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Pete >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Email address: >>>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >>>> bottom of page at: >>>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Email address: >>>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >>>> bottom of page at: >>>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Email address: >>>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >>>> bottom of page at: >>>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Joel >>>> 301 541 8551 >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Email address: >>>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >>>> bottom of page at: >>>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Email address: >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >>> bottom of page at: >>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom >> of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> > _______________________________________________ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom > of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > Aries 1990 C&C 34+ New London, CT
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