Hi Josh, I take it this is what you use? - Yes, seems to work well.
Do you ever find that it runs non-stop? - Occasionally, I don't leave it on when I'm not on the boat. I am considering installing a 2nd larger pump higher up with a separate run of discharge hose with a float switch I can leave on all the time. The one I have now is under hosed (3/4") from the factory with a check valve as this pump will get down to the last 1/2" of water in the bilge. Does it ever get submerged, particularly the wires? - Yes Do you recall if the wires were tinned? - I think they AREN'T tinned. Ken H. S/V Salazar - C&C 37/40XL Cape Breton Island Nova Scotia, Canada On 23 March 2015 at 07:06, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Ken, > > I took a look. I take it this is what you use? Do you ever find that it > runs non-stop? Does it ever get submerged, particularly the wires? Do you > recall if the wires were tinned? > > Josh > On Mar 23, 2015 5:55 AM, "Ken Heaton" <kenhea...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Josh, >> >> You do have another option. The Rule-Mate RM1100A will fit in your bilge. >> >> http://www.xylemflowcontrol.com/files/RM500A_750A_1100A_SS_950-0595.pdf >> >> Ken H. >> >> On 23 March 2015 at 06:44, Josh Muckley via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >>> The bildge in mine is pretty narrow and deep so the largest pump I can >>> easily fit is a Rule 800 that is square. It fills the footprint of the >>> well. There isn't a good place for the switch except for almost directly >>> above the pump. It is a flipper style. >>> >>> 2 years ago I replaced the original (to me) Rule 800 with a Rule 500 >>> w/rulematic controller and also kept the float/flipper switch. I also >>> rewired everything. Frustrating though was that the new SUBMERSIBLE Rule >>> 500 pump did not have tinned wires! And the gauge was less than desired at >>> about 18awg. I read a lot about solder not being acceptable but don't >>> trust crimps as much as solder. I used my best Electronic Technician's >>> training from the Navy to solder all the pump's leads and used adhesive >>> lined heat shrink to seal the connections. I also think I used 14awg. >>> >>> The flipper switch is wired so that even with the OFF-1-ALL-2 switch in >>> OFF the flipper will still actuate the pump. The on/off switch for the >>> pump is on the switch panel and wired such that ON actuate the rulematic >>> sensor which will run the pump until no more water is in the bildge. It >>> automatically senses that it is doing less work (less current) and then >>> shuts off. After 2 minutes it "tests" by starting for a moment and >>> measuring the current draw. If the pump is "doing work" (more current) >>> then it runs until the water is gone and the cycle starts over again. So >>> ON is really AUTO. >>> >>> Unfortunately I have found the pump running non-stop in ON so I have >>> never really used the "auto" feature. I attempted to correct the back flow >>> problem with a large check valve placed very close to the pump discharge. >>> It still isn't perfect so I just turn it on and then turn it off while I'm >>> there and let the float do it's job while I'm gone. This means that the >>> pump stays submerged for a large majority of it's life because the flipper >>> is mounted above the pump. >>> >>> I have considered using 2 pumps. The gusher 320 for getting to the >>> deepest part of the bildge. And a larger 1000 or 1500gph Rule mounted >>> above the sensor for the gusher. During normal operation the gusher would >>> run in auto using a new level switch and keep the larger pump from becoming >>> submerged. If something were to cause an increase in the water level then >>> the larger pump would actuate and prevent floading/sinking. >>> >>> Josh Muckley >>> S/V Sea Hawk >>> 1989 C&C 37+ >>> Solomons, MD >>> On Mar 23, 2015 1:45 AM, "David Blair via CnC-List" < >>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I find that since there is a lift of a few feet to the discharge level >>>> the integral switch causes the pump to spend its time (and my electrical >>>> energy) pumping the same litre or so of water up the discharge hose, >>>> waiting for it to trickle back, repumping it again, and so on. Inserting a >>>> backflow preventer slows the process somewhat but not entirely. Other than >>>> plumbing the discharge into the galley drain so the outflow is minimized I >>>> am not sure how to stop the constant recycling. The integral switch doesn’t >>>> seem to have any option for adjustment and I am don’t see how a separate >>>> switch would be any different unless it was placed higher than the pump. >>>> My boat (34+) has a small collection area – maybe a litre of water in the >>>> bilge. The only source of outside water is rain down the mast, so this is >>>> a periodic problem. Any solutions or suggestions? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Jake >>>> Brodersen via CnC-List >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 22, 2015 6:27 PM >>>> *To:* sam.c.sal...@gmail.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 37+ Bilge pump >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sam, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The integral switches are “interesting”. Most of them spin the pump >>>> impeller at regular intervals. If they encounter resistance, they continue >>>> to run the pump until less resistance is encountered. There is nothing >>>> wrong with this approach, unless you can hear the pump from your bunk. I >>>> prefer pumps to be actuated by a switch than senses a need for the pump to >>>> run. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jake >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Jake Brodersen* >>>> >>>> *“Midnight Mistress”* >>>> >>>> *C&C 35 Mk-III* >>>> >>>> *Hampton VA* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* sam.c.sal...@gmail.com [mailto:sam.c.sal...@gmail.com >>>> <sam.c.sal...@gmail.com>] >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 22, 2015 7:11 PM >>>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 37+ Bilge pump >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> What about those solid state switches that are integral with the pump. >>>> >>>> Anyone have any experience with these? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I've got a Whale pump like this, but haven't got around to installing >>>> it yet. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> sam :-) >>>> >>>> C&C 26 Liquorice >>>> >>>> Ghost Lake Alberta >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From: *Jake Brodersen via CnC-List >>>> >>>> *Sent: *Sunday, March 22, 2015 3:51 PM >>>> >>>> *To: *'Josh Muckley'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>>> >>>> *Reply To: *Jake Brodersen >>>> >>>> *Subject: *Re: Stus-List 37+ Bilge pump >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Josh, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The wiring is certainly suspect at this point in the boat’s age. I >>>> prefer to mount the pump low in the bilge because most of them push water >>>> better than pulling it uphill. Putting it another way, they blow better >>>> than they suck… >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> You’re still going to have the bilge switch in the bilge, why not >>>> locate them together? Mine are side-by-side, which makes for shorter >>>> wiring runs. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jake >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Jake Brodersen* >>>> >>>> *“Midnight Mistress”* >>>> >>>> *C&C 35 Mk-III* >>>> >>>> *Hampton VA* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com >>>> <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] *On Behalf Of *Josh Muckley via >>>> CnC-List >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 22, 2015 5:31 PM >>>> *To:* C&C List >>>> *Subject:* Stus-List 37+ Bildge pump >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The bildge pump seems to have stopped working, again! I suspect that >>>> it has to do with some of the older wiring becoming corroded and causing a >>>> higher resistance. I had this happen before. I'm planning on replacing >>>> the Rule 500 with a Whale Gulper 320. I recognize that the capacity is >>>> probably on the low side but compared to zero, 320 is a lot and it beats a >>>> bucket. The gusher is a single diaphragm pump, can pass debris and has a >>>> rated suction lift of 10'. So this means I can mount the pump above the >>>> water and have the suction hose run into the deepest and most confined >>>> space of the bildge. Hopefully getting the pump out of the water will help >>>> prevent corrosion. >>>> >>>> Anybody have any thoughts or personal learnings? >>>> >>>> Josh Muckley >>>> S/V Sea Hawk >>>> 1989 C&C 37+ >>>> Solomons, MD >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Email address: >>>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >>>> bottom of page at: >>>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Email address: >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >>> bottom of page at: >>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>> >>> >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > >
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