Re: Stus-List Rebel Heart - an ignorant woman blogs...

[Dr. Mark Bodnar]

I agree wholeheartedly. Society, in our attempt to make idiot proof, is making our lives so full of rules and regulations that we hardly know what to do unless we are told. I read a short article in Discover magazine a while back - it talked about a small town in northern Europe (Sweden?) that decided to install their first traffic light. A year later they had experienced a significant increase in the number of accidents at the intersection. In the resulting study they learned that with a light telling them what to do, people didn't put any thought into the process.  If the light was green they just drove through the intersection -- if someone coming the other way accidentally entered the intersection then there was an accident. Take away the light and people would approach the intersection looking for any possible trouble - eyes open and brain engaged.  They took out the traffic light and the number of accidents reverted back to normal levels. I feel we suffer the same problem in so many areas.  I counted 13 street signs in the 500m leading up to my kids school a few months back --- I'm supposed to read all those and obey -- but at the same time I really should be watching the road looking for kids possibly crossing!!!! On some levels driver distraction has become the biggest cause of accidents because we have made roads so smooth and consistent that people don't need to pay much attention - until something unexpected happens. Yes there are risks taking kids on that type of trip.  I've never been offshore so I won't try to comment on the relative risks - but I do think that taking kids on such a trip is reasonably appropriate given some thought has gone into the planning etc. To quote a comedian - "You can't fix stupid" --- unfortunately our governments are trying to write laws for just that purpose.  Laws that end up entangling people who are making reasonable decisions. Mark --------------------- Dr. Mark Bodnar B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C) Bedford Chiropractic --------------------- There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana On 09/04/2014 1:50 PM, Stevan Plavsa wrote: I think this starts to get into a wider discussion. People like to talk about how survival of the fittest and evolution created all that we know, including us, and they will defend the teaching of evolution in the school system etc. Well, the warning labels, idiot proofing and regulation have essentially defeated evolution. So the laws of evolution no longer apply, is that what we want? Stupid people have lots of kids, what's that doing the gene pool?  We live in an aquarium. People around here like to talk about how "driving isn't a right, it's a privilege". Well, judging by how terrible the drivers are around here I'de say it's a right (not that I agree with that). We've dumbed everything down to the point where people can't take responsibility for their own actions anymore.  To me, it's their family, their decision. Personally though I think these people are smarter (evolutionarily "better") than most people I encounter on a daily basis. Steve Suhana, C&C 32 Toronto On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Jerome Tauber <jrtau...@aol.com> wrote: This discussion needs some balance.   If you do not recognize the inherent dangers of trans-oceanic cruising in a small (and in this case also old) boat then you are lacking in seamanship and navigation skills.   To deny these risks is merely and _expression_ of lack of knowledge and understanding of  good seamanship.  To expose a young child to these risks in my view demonstrates questionable judgment and an unreasonable risk to the life and safety of the child.   The possibility of injury or illness without resort to medical facilities is in itself questionable.  Two people as a crew under adverse sea conditions is limited at best and adding the need to watch and protect the childred during a storm makes it much worse.   What if the child fell and suffered a serious injury?   I have been offshore in storms and it requires total attention to the boat and crew safety.   Let's a least be fair.  This is not a one sided discussion.  At a very minimum a sailor must recognize these risks and be willing to subject their young children to them without the consent of the children.    Comparing to a car is not a good one.   In NY young children must be strapped into an approved child seat in the back of the car.   Doors must have child safety locks.  Boats offshore are unregulated.   I was a product safety attorney for many years and I have seen the cost of not recognizing and taking proper precautions when engaging in hazardous activities. Jerome Tauber, C&C 27 MKV -----Original Message----- From: Stevan Plavsa <stevanpla...@gmail.com> To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Wed, Apr 9, 2014 11:07 am Subject: Re: Stus-List Rebel Heart - an ignorant woman blogs... You guys that grew up sailing are lucky, don't forget it. I started sailing at 30 and closing the gap on things that you simply learn by osmosis growing up around sailors is hard. (as is evident by my high post count to this list) Steve Suhana, C&C 32 Toronto On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Della Barba, Joe <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> wrote: Good for you! They’ll be telling their kids about it. I can embarrass my son with this photo. http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/images/noah093x.JPG     Joe Della Barba Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G Street Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 10:44 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Rebel Heart - an ignorant woman blogs...   I didn’t start sailing young enough to have had that experience; but you can be darn sure my kids did! Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(   On Apr 9, 2014, at 9:42 AM, Della Barba, Joe <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> wrote: I still remember watching the east coast drop out of view astern with nothing but Atlantic Ocean ahead at age 12. It was a BIG thrill at that age J   _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com

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