Can you rig an inhauler like the Farr 40s and many other classes do to get the jib sheeted closer to centerline? http://www.sailingworld.com/article/Gaining-Extra-Height-With-Inhaulers
Andy C&C 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Jan 3, 2014, at 11:36, Curtis <cpt.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > I sheet mine of the toe rail with a block. I would love to bring in > more center to the boat. Oneday I will put a track just behind the > shrouds and next to the cabin house but on the deck and a 6 footer . > Mine is now all the way back next to my main winch. > > On 1/3/14, Gary Nylander <gnylan...@atlanticbb.net> wrote: >> Keep us in the loop with your results and conclusions.... We don't get much >> heavy weather around here, but the few times we do, it would be very >> interesting to have a sail combination which would let the boat perform like >> it should. Is your inboard track on the deck or the side of the cabin? How >> far inboard of the shrouds? How long? I have thought that my number 3 >> (working jib) might work inside the shrouds, but it is just a little too big >> - it has a high clew which ends up right at the shrouds when sheeted to my >> track which is about three feet behind the shrouds and on the same plane. >> >> I could cut it down a little and see - but wouldn't spend the money unless I >> was reasonably sure it would work. We don't get enough days with that much >> wind to spend a lot of time experimenting. >> >> Gary >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Michael Brown >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 10:38 AM >> Subject: Re: Stus-List 30MK1 Racing ability >> >> >> I have been experimenting with non-overlapping head sails on my 30-1. A >> pinstop track was >> placed inboard and back of the shrouds. I took a guess that a sheeting >> angle of 8 - 10 degrees >> was a tight as would work on a heavy boat and a picked a higher clew so >> that the sheet loads >> would not be too much. Martin from Somerset Sails recut a main to make a >> #3 and made a >> custom blade. Both Dacron, nothing fancy. >> >> The #3 has a soft entry ( a bit rounded ) even with full backstay tension. >> The blade is flat with a fine entry. >> The #3 points OK and is forgiving, the blade points very well but needs to >> be kept in a narrow angle band to perform. >> >> There is not much guidance I could find on the internet as to what to >> expect. >> >> Starting about 16 kts true the #3 is the fastest sail on the boat, >> outperforms the 155% North 3DL, >> the 155% UK carbon tape drive and the UK #2 for speed. I can point as >> high as 30 degrees AWA >> with most of the sails, the #3 likes about 32 degrees AWA. The #3 runs >> well to around 22 kt with a >> full main. Around 22 - 25 kts true we add a reef to the main and switch to >> the blade. >> >> I can hold 6.4 kts upwind with the #3, seen 6.7 a few times. Boat feels >> perfectly balanced, and the >> #3 and main work well together. Still playing with the trim, best angle >> for VMG etc. >> >> Not as much experience with the blade, 24 kts+ and light waves are not a >> common combination in >> the Toronto area. The one time out with around 28 kts the blade and a >> reefed main gave a perfect >> sail plan. Just the right amount of power, stayed upright and balanced. >> Boats with too much sail >> were heeled way over and sliding off the course, and smaller ( baggy ) >> sails were giving the skippers >> poor upwind performance. >> >> No conclusions yet on the appropriateness of inboard tracks and >> non-overlapping sails on the 30-1, >> but the trials are promising. I am considering getting a custom #3 cut >> that is as large as possible, >> maybe in the 102 -104% range, and enough depth to work in the 14+ TWS >> range. Hopefully the >> tighter sheeting angle and better matching with the main will overcome the >> smaller size. >> >> Michael Brown >> Windburn >> C&C 30-1 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 14:04:28 -0500 >> From: "Gary Nylander" <gnylan...@atlanticbb.net> >> To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> Subject: Re: Stus-List 30MK1 Racing ability >> Message-ID: <0DC61BD7CA594F10A4005DD134E0600E@GaryPC> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" >> >> For most of your racing, you will use the racing main and the 135 or >> 155. I seldom use my working jib but we don't get a lot of heavy weather >> around here. Keep the standard main for practice. You may be trying to >> flatten it out too much....a genoa will produce a backwind which makes the >> main look terrible, but that is usual on a 30. >> >> You should sheet your 135 and 155's to the track near the winch. My boat >> didn't have any jib tracks when I got her, and I added a track which starts >> about a foot behind the shrouds (even with them) and is about 6 feet long. >> My sheeting point for the 155 is roughly in the middle of the lifeline gate, >> for my 140+/- it is at the front of the gate. The working jib goes just past >> the shrouds and I sheet it so that the clew just hits the shrouds. I seldom >> use it. >> >> Many 30's just used snatch blocks on the rail for jib sheets, but you >> need something inside that, which your track should handle. >> >> When reaching, I use various methods to get the jib clew more outboard >> than my track will allow - I have spinnaker twings (tweakers) ( small blocks >> in about the middle of the boat on the rail ) which I can use to get the >> clew back out to the rail. If it is blowing a bit, I have used snatch blocks >> to the rail - you have to get the clew more outboard or it just becomes big >> and round and slows the boat down. >> >> I have the spinnaker pole and an adjustable whisker pole, but seldom use >> the whisker - the rules penalize you for anything longer than 13.5 feet (the >> J measurement) and the spin pole is that long. >> >> Also the rules penalize anything bigger than 155%, so the 170 is only >> good for cruising. If your rules allow larger genoas or longer poles, then >> you could use the 170 and an extended whisker pole and sail non spinnaker. >> >> Check your PHRF rules - one of our groups allows you to sail >> non-spinnaker with the rest of the fleet and get a 10% handicap adjustment. >> I don't think that is enough. Our other local group allows non-spinnaker >> with a 15% adjustment and a cruising chute tacked to the bow with 7.5%. >> Nobody allows genoas larger than 155% without penalty. >> >> My opinion is the 30 would not benefit from having inboard tracks for >> the small jib. The boat is kind of fat (10 foot beam) and running the jib >> past the shrouds on the outside gives a sheeting angle of about 10-12 >> degrees, which is about all it needs. As I don't sail in heavy weather very >> often (my working jib is still 'krinkly' after 30 years) so I may be wrong >> - as your previous owner built an adjustable little jib, you may have >> different conditions. >> >> I also only have a single reef, but the boat was built for two - again, >> I don't seem to need it. >> >> If I were you, I would start by sailing non-spinnaker and find a crew >> and develop your crew work. Then add the spinnaker to the mix. Learning the >> racing rules and tactics and changing sails and flying the spinnaker is a >> lot to absorb in a limited time. I don't know where you sail and don't know >> how many opportunities you have to race, but there is more to learn than >> there is time for most of us. Find someone who has some experience to help - >> pick his/her brain to build your skills. Maybe let someone else drive so you >> can learn the skills that each person on the boat needs to you can coach >> other crew later. >> >> Gary >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > -- > “Sailors, with their built in sense of order, service and discipline, > should really be running the world.” - Nicholas Monsarrat > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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