Agreed on the Sabres. I’ve spent time on one of them as well. Reasonably nice boats but not my cup of tea either. They are not on my list.
I did a delivery from Annapolis to the BVI’s leaving Annapolis just after Thanksgiving a few years ago, out to South of Bermuda and then a turn South. Yep, the 121 would be a tad bit uncomfortable. Anyway, life is too short for slow boats! That’s my philosophy too. ;-) Cheers, Dave 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay On Jan 2, 2014, at 6:12 PM, j...@svpaws.net wrote: > You pretty much hit it on the head - it's more about cargo capacity than > anything else. You just can't imagine how much STUFF you take with you - and > that's before you start loading cases of wine, cases of soda, cases of water, > etc, etc, etc. Don't get hung up on tankage or battery capacity - spend your > time figuring out how to efficiently put stuff back into them. > > Funny comment re the Sabre - we sold one to move to the 121. One of the few > boats I've owned and don't miss. Yes, the woodwork was in a different world > than the Tartan C&C. > > The 121 is a good boat, possibly a great boat. Who knows, after sailing her > for a few more years maybe I will take her on an extended cruise but it's > really not what that girl was built to do. She would be a dream zipping > around the BVI. Sailing to Bermuda in November - not so much. > > John > > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 2, 2014, at 5:50 PM, Dave Godwin <dave.god...@me.com> wrote: > >> John, >> >> Thanks for the note and I really appreciate any and all suggestions. As a >> matter of fact, I was re-visiting the C&C 121 listings just last night to >> make sure that I wasn’t heading off at high speed on the wrong tack. And I >> am in complete agreement with your take on its sailing and cruising >> envelope. If I were going to spend all my time on the Chesapeake Bay with a >> couple of short off-shore dashes I’d include it at the top my list. But I’m >> looking for extended cruising with a modicum of carrying capacity. Another >> issue is sea-kindliness upwind in heavy’ish weather. >> >> I crewed on my buddy's 115 that he bought in Long Island a couple of years >> ago and delivered back to Annapolis. I loved the boat. We made the absolute >> fastest not-stop run from Kings Point, NY to Annapolis that I have ever >> done. I don’t remember the numbers but is was crazy fast. Fortunately almost >> all of it was beam-reaching and off-wind work. But my same friend decided to >> take it to Block Island for RC duty the year after. That proved to be >> brutal. Upwind in heavy weather. I’m afraid that it is now for sale and he >> is looking at big Sabres, Gran Soleils and the like. And my buddy has been >> racing off-shore around the world for 35+ years and is incredibly tough so >> it’s a decision that he didn’t make lightly. >> >> Also, everyone on the boat was commenting on the quality of glass work, fit >> and finish compared to J Boat offerings >> >> So, yes, if it were spending all or most of our time in the Bay, I would put >> it on the list. >> >> Best, >> Dave >> 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin >> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay >> >> >> On Jan 2, 2014, at 4:49 PM, j...@svpaws.net wrote: >> >>> For what it's worth, when we bought our 121 this year, it came down to a >>> newer C&C vs. several J's. For how we sail now - weekends, short cruises, >>> etc the C&C was the right choice. I'm not sure if it would be my choice >>> for extended cruising (which I have done). If you know and like the J, I >>> suspect your decision is already made. You could do far worse. >>> >>> John >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Jan 2, 2014, at 1:31 PM, Dave Godwin <dave.god...@me.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I want to reply to Colin and to Ken Heaton for good suggestions and a very >>>> nice offer. >>>> >>>> As far as looking at the later (not Jackett designed and built models) >>>> C&C’s, those are very attractive suggestions but I think that both my wife >>>> and I are headed in a different direction. >>>> >>>> We've discovered over the years that with just the two of us, dragging a >>>> big 140% jib across the deck isn’t our idea of pleasant anymore. And the >>>> way that we sail is pretty much me soloing with my wife happily knitting >>>> in the cockpit under the dodger. She assists with the tacking, line >>>> handling and is very good about getting me a cold beer if needed. The >>>> allure of the J/42 for both of us is that I can have my “dance space” in >>>> the aft end of the cockpit and still control the jib and more importantly, >>>> the main. I’m not fond of reaching up under the dodger to adjust the main >>>> sheet and traveler sheets when needed. And I tend to trim sails >>>> constantly. >>>> >>>> So one of the “selling” points for us of the J/42 is the large main and >>>> smaller (sort of…) jib size. We’ve swallowed that point hook, line and >>>> sinker. Whether it’s true is another matter but it seems logical to us. >>>> And a carbon fiber mast! Gotta have one of those. ;-) >>>> >>>> Another reason that I’m probably not looking at another C&C is going >>>> forward I’d like to avoid boats with liners. I’m not saying that liners >>>> are bad or cheap but I’m just getting back to a complete refit and >>>> painting (halted for the last 4 years…) of “Ronin” and having the liner to >>>> deal with has been a bit of a PITA. It made re-wring the boat a much >>>> bigger task for a job that is time-consuming in any case. Modifications >>>> involving cabinetry and fiberglassing become somewhat more involved. >>>> Access is an issue. >>>> >>>> Which brings me to the Colin’s offer to meet the owners of Ceol Mor. I >>>> would love to but that may have to wait Interestingly, I’d linked to >>>> their blog and had been following it. Local Annapolis sailers! Anyway, all >>>> our talk about moving to a J/42 is a 3-year plan and is completely off the >>>> table until I get the refit of “Ronin” done. That’s looking like at least >>>> another year. And honestly, when I’m done we plan on sailing the hell out >>>> her, ‘cause, well, she is a great boat! >>>> >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin >>>> Reedville - Chesapeak >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jan 2, 2014, at 12:37 PM, Colin Kilgour <charliekilo...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Some cruising friends of mine just completed a circumnavigation in a J/42 >>>>> - with husband, wife and 2 kids aboard. >>>>> >>>>> Check out their blog to get a sense of how Ceol Mor handled it. And if >>>>> you want, I can put you in touch with them directly if you want to really >>>>> pick their brain on the boat. They are super nice folks and would know a >>>>> heluva lot more about the J/42 than any of us do. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.svceolmor.com/SVCeolMor/Welcome.html >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Colin >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>>>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>>>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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