Let me know if he wants another one. A friend in Erie has one for sale
Wild Bill -------- Original message -------- From: kirk sneddon <kirksned...@optonline.net> Date: 04/08/2013 10:18 PM (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 - cont - how to make an offer Andrew recently helped a fellow that I crew for in settling a Hurricane Sandy loss ( a pristine Express 34 - ouch), if the contact info below doesn't work, let me know and I will try and track him down. Kirk Sneddon C&C 29 Mk II Flying Cloud -----Original Message----- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Colin Kilgour Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 10:57 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 - cont - how to make an offer Andrew Kinsey kinseymar...@optonline.net 631-807-8907 I'm not sure that he's still doing pleasure boat surveys though as his Linkedin says he's now at ACE Commercial Marine. Cheers Colin On 4/8/13, Mark Bodnar <drbod...@accesswave.ca> wrote: > Thanks for all the info everyone. > The boat is at the North eastern end of Long Island - Greenport. So > yes, I'd like the contact info for Andrew Kinsey. > > Rick - great info. Thanks for the detail. Interesting to hear the > brokers comments on boat values. Locally similar boats are selling for > a lot more (at least the Yachtworld and local classified listings). > This boat has a new diesel as of 2000, so a give that value above a > couple Atomic 4's I've seen listed for more $. But I will re-think my > offer plan. I was thinking of offering $12K, but I guess I let the brokers comments shift my thinking. > My understanding is that the owner wants to move up to a bigger boat. > Missed out on the one he wanted last year because this boat didn't > sell, so he's had this listed now since the fall. 5 months on the > market already - if it was as good a deal as the broker thinks it > would be gone already! That said, this boat is well priced against > all the other C&C 30's I've found online. It is at the low end of > price for listed boats, but with a 13yr old diesel, and good condition. > Rick, if you want to sail that local 30 up the coast for a couple > weeks to Nova Scotia then I might be interested in it! > > Chuck, unfortunately in my situation a survey is far cheaper than a > personal sea trial. I live >500 from the boat, so my only real option > is to get a good survey. > In this case the broker appears to be the marina operator -Brewer > Yacht Sales at Brewer Stirling Harbor Marina I'll make sure that I'm > not eating dockage fees while I sort out how to get the boat home if > the deal goes through. > > More to think about! > > Thanks again to everyone for all the advice. I'll let you all know > what happens. > > Mark > > ---------------------- > Dr. Mark Bodnar > B.Sc. D.C. FCCPOR(c) > www.bedfordchiro.ca > ---------------------- > > "In order to succeed, your desire for success should be greater than > your fear of failure." > Bill Cosby > > On 2013-04-07, at 8:35 PM, Rick Brass <rickbr...@earthlink.net> wrote: > >> Mark, >> >> In response to your original question, here is a copy of the wording >> that appeared in my offer for Imzadi regarding the survey. This was >> part of a preprinted offer form used by the broker in Norfolk, but I >> don't know if it is the standard AYBA form that Colin referred to. >> >> In a paragraph labeled "Additional Provisions" this was added: >> 1) Offer is subject to a survey as detailed in paragraph 3. >> 2) Vessel as delivered to include all equipment as listed in the >> attached description. >> >> Paragraph 3 says: >> 3. This offer is made for the vessel "as is. where is" unless >> otherwise provided by additional provision hereto. >> subject to survey, if desired by Purchaser, by Purchaser's surveyor >> and at Purchaser's expense (including hauling), provided such survey >> is made on or before ________________ (If no survey is desired by >> Purchaser, write "no survey desired" in lieu of a date.) Purchaser >> may rescind this purchase prior to settlement if such survey >> discloses items missing, or requiring repairs or replacement, if such >> items are essential to normal operation of the vessel, the reasonable >> safety of persons on board having due regard for what is normal for >> similar vessels, or for obtaining normal financing and/or insurance >> or failure to supply, repair or replace such items will materially >> reduce the value of the vessel below the purchase price herein. In >> the event Purchaser chooses to rescind for any of the grounds above >> provided, he shall give written or telegraphic notice to the Broker >> at Broker's place of business no later than _____________ , and if >> such notice not received by the Broker on or before such date, >> Purchaser will be deemed to have accepted the vessel. Failure by the >> Owner to complete the aforesaid, by the settlement date above, shall >> free the Purchaser of all obligation hereunder and shall entitle him >> to have returned all monies paid by him as deposit as provided by and >> subject to paragraph (8) >> >> Hope all that helps. >> >> Based on experience - get the survey done, starting with a sea trial >> and inspection of the mechanical systems before the boat is hauled. >> You will be liable for the expense of the survey and the haul, though >> you might be able to negotiate a discount on the cost of the haul >> depending on how badly they want to sell the boat. >> >> Any idea how long the boat has been for sale, or how anxious the >> owner is to sell? That could be a big factor in your offer price. >> >> Two friends who are both boat brokers have told me that, at least in >> the Carolinas and seemingly lower Virginia, older boats are >> frequently selling for about 1/2 to 2/3 the prices being asked on >> Yachtworld. They regard the Yachtworld pricing to be unrealistic in >> the current market, and think a lot of the boats there are ones that >> are overpriced and consequently have been sitting for a while. >> >> There is a really nice - bordering on immaculate - C&C 30 at the club >> where I keep my 25. The owner bought is early last summer for under >> $9k. There is also a late 70s C&C 30 in my area that is a solid boat >> that has had some recent upgrades but needs cosmetic attention and >> updated electronics. The seller is asking $9k, but has told me he >> actually hopes to get 8. >> >> IIRC, you said the boat you're looking at was on Yachtworld at >> $15,900, and you were thinking of offering $14. Have you considered >> offering something like 10 or 12? >> >> Boat brokers are probably a lot like real estate brokers, in that the >> asking price is higher than the desired closing price in order to >> allow negotiating room. The broker who recently sold my second home >> added 11% to the target closing price to establish the listing price. >> (And the real estate market is such that the final closing price was >> still 3% below the target.) >> >> If the boat broker added 10%, and the listing is for $15.9, then the >> desired selling price could be somewhere in the range of $14.5. >> >> If the owner has had the boat listed for a while, he may also be >> feeling the pressure of monthly dockage and insurance - which could >> easily be $2 or 3K if he fails to sell the boat in the next few >> months of the spring selling season. >> >> Consider that if you offer something lower - say $12 - one of two >> things can happen. They might counter and you can always negotiate >> up. Or they take it, you cover the cost of the survey and haul ( and >> maybe a part of your get ready expenses) as part of your perceived >> value of $14. >> >> As always, YMMV. >> >> >> Rick Brass >> Washington, NC >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr. >> Mark >> Bodnar >> Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 6:02 PM >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 - cont - how to make an offer >> >> >> That's pretty much what I'm thinking - I'll make an offer, if >> something big comes up and they don't want to fix it then I'll move >> on. >> >> Any one know a good surveyor on Long Island? What about cost for a >> survey for a 30' boat - inc rigging and engine? >> Boat is currently in the water, so I'll likely have to get it pulled >> out to see the bottom and keel as well. Not sure if the brokers yard >> will charge me for that or if they do it to get the sale?? >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com > -- Sent from my mobile device _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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