I used Phil’s Foils in Canada to build a replacement rudder for my C&C 37. They used my rudder stock and are able to do a custom rudder. I was very happy with the result and the service. Rick, I’m not sure how you got separate quotes from Phil’s Foils and Competition Composites – they are the same company. My understanding is that Competition Composites grow out of Phil’s foils when they expanded into other areas.
Steve 1983 C&C 37 From: David Folsom Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 11:29 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Rudder Re-build/replacement I replace my rudder when I bought my 1981 36. it was a condition of getting insurance as the surveyor found some pitting in the rudder shaft where it entered the rudder. I had a new one made by FinTech (I think that is the name of the company) in Costa Mesa. It cost about $2500 and took about 4 weeks. We did the job with the boat in the water. Getting good access to the area around the rudder shaft is critical. In hindsight, I should have removed even more stuff that was in the way rather than trying to work around it (like hoses, fuel tank bed, ect). Now that it is done, very happy with the results. David Folsom 1981 C&C 36 Rebel Maid On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 5:34 AM, <blhick...@yahoo.com> wrote: Thanks much for this great discussion. We have our '76 C&C 33 mkI on the hard in Charleston SC right now for routine maintenance. Will definitely take a good look at the rudder. Barbara Hickson Fellers "Flight Risk" Sent from the Mars Rover. On Oct 20, 2012, at 12:50 AM, "Rick Brass" <rickbr...@earthlink.net> wrote: > The rudder stock on my 38 was bent during a hard grounding in a thunderstorm > in 2004. Actually it was OK until TowBoat US pulled me over the shoal > instead of pulling me out the way I had come in. Insurance authorized the > yard to heat and straighten the rudder shaft (BIG Mistake!) and reglass the > top of the rudder after the repair. > > > Five years later, water had gotten into the top of the rudder and the shaft > broke because of crevice corrosion. I lost the blade. The yard (same one > that did the first bad repair) had a rudder stock off a 38LF that had lost > the skins off the rudder blade. They had purchased a 38LF rudder from C&C > Yachts (in the process discovering that there were two different diameter > rudder stocks on the 38LFs in the 70s) Tartan C&C Yachts can build rudders > for many of the older models at a cost of $3800 according to the website. > Call Alex Avery. Unfortunately they have drawings for the Landfall but not > the 38 mk1 & mk2. > > I found 3 sources that had made aftermarket C&C rudders. Competition > Composites in Canada quoted CDN$2900 using the rudder stock I had purchased > (+ $1600 to build a new rudder stock). Phil's Foils are in Canada and make a > lot of racing foils, and quoted CDN$2250 using my rudder stock. Foss Foam in > Florida was $2400 US including shipping, The first two cast foam on the > rudder stock and web, CNC machine the foil, and wrap the foam in > glass/Kevlar/epoxy. I think of it as building from the inside out. > > Foss casts two halves of the skin, sandwiches around the stock and web, and > injects foam. Then the joint is reinforced with Kevlar & epoxy. I think of > this as outside in. > > There was some discussion I found on the web that the outside in method > might be less durable if water gets into the foam and freezes over the > winter, or if you have a dark colored rudder in warm water and bright sun. > Foss did suggest painting the rudder a light color, but told me all the > things they do to prevent water intrusion and to reinforce the seam against > expansion of the foam. > > I went with Foss because of a lower cost, less hassles, and quicker > delivery. So far I'm quite happy with the new rudder. > > > Rick Brass > Washington, NC > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Alex > Giannelia > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 1:56 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Stus-List Rudder Re-build/replacement > > Has anyone on the list replaced or re-built their rudder? > > ALEX GIANNELIA > > CC 35-II (1974) WILL BE RENAMED > ON THE HARD SINCE NOV. 2006 > Toronto Ontario > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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