Hi Danny, If I come across as hard core, let me know...
I will come in with my .02 worth on this, even though my wheel has occasionally been so balanced that I can sit there and watch it for up to 10 minutes hands off, I never, never leave the helm. If you or your wife were flying across the US, Canada, OR the Ocean, how would you feel if both the Captain and First Officer were seen outside the cockpit? Heave to, wait, then figure it all out, show your crew that this can be controlled in a manner and that patience is the key. Autopilots, GPS, Radar, Furling..... all this stuff is supposed to make our onboard lives more convenient, but at a COST. INCREASED RISK OF FAILURE. As sailors, we are supposed to be able to deal with the worst case scenario, and build up from there. You didn't waste the summer, and if it makes you and your wife feel any better, I started pulling hardware off my deck in November 2006 to clean up a horrible no skid paint job left by the P.O. I am now able to dream of launching. The time spent on your boat is learning time, zen and the art of boat maintenance if you will. You will thank yourself for it, because eventually your body will know where everything is, because you put it there and your risks will thus be sharply reduced. And finally to paraphrase a Swedish saying: There is sunny weather, windy weather, calm weather wet weather, stormy weather, but there is no such thing as bad or good weather. It is what it is, we prepare for it, we sail through it and enjoy the whole experience. I will now step off the mount.... ;>} ALEX GIANNELIA Phone (416) 203-9858 Fax (416) 203-9843 Cell (416) 529-0070 email: a...@airsensing.com WEB: www.airsensing.com -----Original Message----- From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com Sent: September 12, 2012 9:26 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: CnC-List Digest, Vol 80, Issue 31 Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to cnc-list@cnc-list.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com You can reach the person managing the list at cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Edson chain and wire pedestal failure (Gary Nylander) 2. Re: Edson chain and wire pedestal failure (honeys...@aol.com) 3. Re: Edson chain and wire pedestal failure (djhaug...@juno.com) 4. Re: Edson chain and wire pedestal failure (djhaug...@juno.com) 5. Re: Edson chain and wire pedestal failure (Joel Aronson) 6. Re: Edson chain and wire pedestal failure (djhaug...@juno.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:53:43 -0400 From: "Gary Nylander" <gnylan...@atlanticbb.net> To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure Message-ID: <A712F556ABB84D12B75FB01268B4D7F7@GaryPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I don't know how others handle situations like this, but I never leave the wheel without firming up the brake. I just don't want the rudder to do anything, period.... Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: djhaug...@juno.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 8:32 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure Okay so, Here is what I think may have happened. I think, when I let go of the wheel to help furl the headsail, the rudder swung hard to port and went right past the stop. This allowed the chain to roll right off the sprocket. When I was playing around with trying to get it back, I got the chain to cable fitting to go back over the steering shaft and the stop spindle on the rudder post wheel to slip back by the stop on the bulkhead. What good is a stop if it doesn't stop anything? Anyway I guess I should have engaged the break or tied off the wheel before I let it go. I'm going to head down tonight and try and remove the cable and chain to order a new one. I'm also going to get in the water and have a look at the prop and shaft as there is some mysterious vibration happening now...I wonder if the rudder managed to swing so far as to have bent the brand new $500.00 shaft I just installed... Or maybe it bent the strut... The wife is pretty disgusted in the whole ordeal. she feels we wasted and entire summer working on this boat only to have this happen and we're not done working on it and we can't go sailing because we need to make ANOTHER repair and waste more great weather working on the boat. I think she has also lost confidence in the boat... I tried to take all the blame myself saying we didn't do enough shake down sailing and that it was my fault for letting go of the wheel and allowing the rudder to swing... Her take is that we should be able to let go of the wheel in a troubled situation and not worry about becoming disabled...I tend to agree. As much as we both like the wheel I'm considering going back to the tiller...or I need to beef up the stops or find a better solution to prevent this from happening again. I think, knowing what I know now, I will be more careful about tying the wheel off. Or...I don't know,... it is hard to believe this has never happened before... Any insights are always appreciated... Don't worry about hurting my delicate sensibilities... LOL I have to try and get the boat back in the wife's good graces or I could really end up in a Catalina.... Danny ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Martin DeYoung <mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:34:53 +0000 Friends don't let friends buy Catalina's, Hunter's, or Bayliner's. MartinCalypso 1971 C&C 43 Seattle ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:56 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure I hear ya, Russ... I'm not letting beat though...came close and the wife is saying..."Now I know why people buy the brand new Catalina..." ewwww you could have 2 or 3 catalinas for the price of the Sabre that I covet! If it hadn't been for the rough seas, the fast response of Tow BoatUS and the comfort level of my wife...I'd have dropped down below. As it turns out, if I had removed the cable or pulled the pin in the pedestal I probably would have had control again. I guess the thing is that, I had ot done anything with the steering sytem so I was not at all familiar with it...I should have known better. I just hope my wife forgives the Viking pretty quickly or she'll be pushing even harder for the Catlina...At least she isn't get out of boating all together! if worse comes to worse a catlina is better than no boat at all!!! LOL You can't beat the speed though...we were hitting 9 knots with the currents with just the head sail before all hell broke loose! lets see a catlina do that! LOL Danny ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20120912/000aae6a/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:55:35 -0400 (EDT) From: honeys...@aol.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure Message-ID: <dd3f.2362bab9.3d81e...@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I was thinking the same, it is impossible for this to happen when in forward motion. More to the story??? In a message dated 9/12/2012 8:52:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, r...@sailpower.ca writes: Danny. I don't understand how the rudder could have swung by the stop if the boat was moving forward. Rich On 2012-09-12, at 12:32, "_djhaughey@juno.com_ (mailto:djhaug...@juno.com) " <_djhaughey@juno.com_ (mailto:djhaug...@juno.com) > wrote: Okay so, Here is what I think may have happened. I think, when I let go of the wheel to help furl the headsail, the rudder swung hard to port and went right past the stop. This allowed the chain to roll right off the sprocket. When I was playing around with trying to get it back, I got the chain to cable fitting to go back over the steering shaft and the stop spindle on the rudder post wheel to slip back by the stop on the bulkhead. What good is a stop if it doesn't stop anything? Anyway I guess I should have engaged the break or tied off the wheel before I let it go. I'm going to head down tonight and try and remove the cable and chain to order a new one. I'm also going to get in the water and have a look at the prop and shaft as there is some mysterious vibration happening now...I wonder if the rudder managed to swing so far as to have bent the brand new $500.00 shaft I just installed... Or maybe it bent the strut... The wife is pretty disgusted in the whole ordeal. she feels we wasted and entire summer working on this boat only to have this happen and we're not done working on it and we can't go sailing because we need to make ANOTHER repair and waste more great weather working on the boat. I think she has also lost confidence in the boat... I tried to take all the blame myself saying we didn't do enough shake down sailing and that it was my fault for letting go of the wheel and allowing the rudder to swing... Her take is that we should be able to let go of the wheel in a troubled situation and not worry about becoming disabled...I tend to agree. As much as we both like the wheel I'm considering going back to the tiller...or I need to beef up the stops or find a better solution to prevent this from happening again. I think, knowing what I know now, I will be more careful about tying the wheel off. Or...I don't know,... it is hard to believe this has never happened before... Any insights are always appreciated... Don't worry about hurting my delicate sensibilities... LOL I have to try and get the boat back in the wife's good graces or I could re ally end up in a Catalina.... Danny ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Martin DeYoung <_mdeyoung@deyoungmfg.com_ (mailto:mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com) > To: "_cnc-list@cnc-list.com_ (mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com) " <_cnc-list@cnc-list.com_ (mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com) > Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:34:53 +0000 Friends don?t let friends buy Catalina?s, Hunter?s, or Bayliner?s. MartinCalypso 1971 C&C 43 Seattle ____________________________________ From: _cnc-list-bounces@cnc-list.com_ (mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com) [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of _djhaughey@juno.com_ (mailto:djhaug...@juno.com) Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:56 AM To: _cnc-list@cnc-list.com_ (mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com) Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure I hear ya, Russ... I'm not letting beat though...came close and the wife is saying..."Now I know why people buy the brand new Catalina..." ewwww you could have 2 or 3 catalinas for the price of the Sabre that I covet! If it hadn't been for the rough seas, the fast response of Tow BoatUS and the comfort level of my wife...I'd have dropped down below. As it turns out, if I had removed the cable or pulled the pin in the pedestal I probably would have had control again. I guess the thing is that, I had ot done anything with the steering sytem so I was not at all familiar with it...I should have known better. I just hope my wife forgives the Viking pretty quickly or she'll be pushing even harder for the Catlina...At least she isn't get out of boating all together! if worse comes to worse a catlina is better than no boat at all!!! LOL You can't beat the speed though...we were hitting 9 knots with the currents with just the head sail before all hell broke loose! lets see a catlina do that! LOL Danny _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album _http://www.cncphotoalbum.com_ (http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/) _CnC-List@cnc-list.com_ (mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com) = _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20120912/feedba77/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:21:38 GMT From: "djhaug...@juno.com" <djhaug...@juno.com> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure Message-ID: <20120912.092138.1650...@webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well, we were moving forward on a beam reach, I eased the sheet and began furling. When I was done furling I returned the helm, grabbed the wheel put the engine in reverse, as I need to do that to open the blades of the prop, and then into forward, The boat turned to port and when I tried to straighten out she was stuck, then I gave a good pull and the wheel was stuck at first, then start spinning with no effect on the rudder. That is my perspective, what else happened, I don't know... ---------- Original Message ---------- From: honeys...@aol.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:55:35 -0400 (EDT) I was thinking the same, it is impossible for this to happen when in forward motion. More to the story??? In a message dated 9/12/2012 8:52:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, r...@sailpower.ca writes:Danny. I don't understand how the rudder could have swung by the stop if the boat was moving forward. Rich On 2012-09-12, at 12:32, "djhaug...@juno.com" <djhaug...@juno.com> wrote: Okay so, Here is what I think may have happened. I think, when I let go of the wheel to help furl the headsail, the rudder swung hard to port and went right past the stop. This allowed the chain to roll right off the sprocket. When I was playing around with trying to get it back, I got the chain to cable fitting to go back over the steering shaft and the stop spindle on the rudder post wheel to slip back by the stop on the bulkhead. What good is a stop if it doesn't stop anything? Anyway I guess I should have engaged the break or tied off the wheel before I let it go. I'm going to head down tonight and try and remove the cable and chain to order a new one. I'm also going to get in the water and have a look at the prop and shaft as there is some mysterious vibration happening now...I wonder if the rudder managed to swing so far as to have bent the brand new $500.00 shaft I just installed... Or maybe it bent the strut... The wife is pretty disgusted in the whole o! rdeal. she feels we wasted and entire summer working on this boat only to have this happen and we're not done working on it and we can't go sailing because we need to make ANOTHER repair and waste more great weather working on the boat. I think she has also lost confidence in the boat... I tried to take all the blame myself saying we didn't do enough shake down sailing and that it was my fault for letting go of the wheel and allowing the rudder to swing... Her take is that we should be able to let go of the wheel in a troubled situation and not worry about becoming disabled...I tend to agree. As much as we both like the wheel I'm considering going back to the tiller...or I need to beef up the stops or find a better solution to prevent this from happening again. I think, knowing what I know now, I will be more careful about tying the wheel off. Or...I don't know,... it is hard to believe this has never happened before... Any insights are always appreciated... Don't! worry about hurting my delicate sensibilities... LOL I have to try a nd get the boat back in the wife's good graces or I could really end up in a Catalina.... Danny ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Martin DeYoung <mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:34:53 +0000 Friends don’t let friends buy Catalina’s, Hunter’s, or Bayliner’s. MartinCalypso 1971 C&C 43 Seattle From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:56 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure I hear ya, Russ... I'm not letting beat though...came close and the wife is saying..."Now I know why people buy the brand new Catalina..." ewwww you could have 2 or 3 catalinas for the price of the Sabre that I covet! If it hadn't been for the rough seas, the fast response of Tow BoatUS and the comfort level of my wife...I'd have dropped down below. As it turns out, if I had removed the cable or pulled the pin in the pedestal I probably would have had control again. I guess the thing is that, I had ot done anything with the steering sytem so I was not at all familiar with it...I should have known better. I just hope my wife forgives the Viking pretty quickly or she'll be pushing even harder for the Catlina...At least she isn't get out of boating all together! if worse comes to worse a catlina is better than no boat at all!!! LOL You can't beat the speed though...we were hitting 9 knots with the currents with just the head sail before all hell broke loose! lets see a catlina do that! LOL Danny _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com= _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20120912/0bcf34f8/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:22:26 GMT From: "djhaug...@juno.com" <djhaug...@juno.com> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure Message-ID: <20120912.092226.1650...@webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This is great stuff!! ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Della Barba, Joe" <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:52:10 -0400 <![endif]--><![endif]--><![endif]-->The stops on my boat work well and prevent exactly the kind of thing that happened to you. As for your wife……………………..not sure I have a fix for that that doesn’t involve a lot of money. If it makes you feel any better, my wife has over the years put up with - sometimes with good humor and sometimes not – A failed fuel pump that I fixed with an outboard squeeze bulb. She had to squeeze the whole way home or steer while I squeezed. SQUEEZE HARDER DON’T LET IT GO SOFT was yelled frequently to encourage maintenance of fuel pressure J An engine that died on the last day of our cruise about 10 yards from the mooring. This then entailed putting the engine in the dinghy, dragging it up on the dock, and using a tree to hoist it into her car. Everything was going great until the A4- lacking a front oil seal – dumped a quart of oil in her car. This same cruise involved several days with a heat index around 108-110 and 100% humidity at night. We tried watching a movie at night in the cockpit for more air and 1,000 moths landed on the TV. And then the engine was in the shop and my basement for 2 months getting fixed. A fuel fill hose that popped a leak and dumped several gallons of gas into the bilge. A bilge pump that for some reason – after a decade of good service – decided to siphon INTO the boat and caused my wife to step into almost knee-deep water around 0200 when she got up to use the head. More engine malfunctions than I can count until I finally gave the damn thing away and got another one. My wife actually accused me of LIKING these issues because one day I was dancing around yelling “I AM A GOD OF ENGINES” after a successful MacGyver fix of some ignition malfunction. Even brand new boats have all kinds of issues. Anyone who buys a used boat or airplane has a year or two of getting everything fixed and even then it is always an adventure. A lot of cash will get you a new boat, but it isn’t easy to fix the expectation that old boats (and airplanes and antique cars and 1960s British motorcycles) will run like a Honda Civic. Cruising- (cruzing) Verb. The act of doing boat repairs in exotic locations Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 8:32 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure Okay so, Here is what I think may have happened. I think, when I let go of the wheel to help furl the headsail, the rudder swung hard to port and went right past the stop. This allowed the chain to roll right off the sprocket. When I was playing around with trying to get it back, I got the chain to cable fitting to go back over the steering shaft and the stop spindle on the rudder post wheel to slip back by the stop on the bulkhead. What good is a stop if it doesn't stop anything? Anyway I guess I should have engaged the break or tied off the wheel before I let it go. I'm going to head down tonight and try and remove the cable and chain to order a new one. I'm also going to get in the water and have a look at the prop and shaft as there is some mysterious vibration happening now...I wonder if the rudder managed to swing so far as to have bent the brand new $500.00 shaft I just installed... Or maybe it bent the strut... The wife is pretty disgusted in the whole ordeal. she feels we wasted and entire summer working on this boat only to have this happen and we're not done working on it and we can't go sailing because we need to make ANOTHER repair and waste more great weather working on the boat. I think she has also lost confidence in the boat... I tried to take all the blame myself saying we didn't do enough shake down sailing and that it was my fault for letting go of the wheel and allowing the rudder to swing... Her take is that we should be able to let go of the wheel in a troubled situation and not worry about becoming disabled...I tend to agree. As much as we both like the wheel I'm considering going back to the tiller...or I need to beef up the stops or find a better solution to prevent this from happening again. I think, knowing what I know now, I will be more careful about tying the wheel off. Or...I don't know,... it is hard to believe this has never happened before... Any insights are always appreciated... Don't worry about hurting my delicate sensibilities... LOL I have to try and get the boat back in the wife's good graces or I could really end up in a Catalina.... Danny ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Martin DeYoung <mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:34:53 +0000 Friends don’t let friends buy Catalina’s, Hunter’s, or Bayliner’s. MartinCalypso 1971 C&C 43 Seattle From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:56 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure I hear ya, Russ... I'm not letting beat though...came close and the wife is saying..."Now I know why people buy the brand new Catalina..." ewwww you could have 2 or 3 catalinas for the price of the Sabre that I covet! If it hadn't been for the rough seas, the fast response of Tow BoatUS and the comfort level of my wife...I'd have dropped down below. As it turns out, if I had removed the cable or pulled the pin in the pedestal I probably would have had control again. I guess the thing is that, I had ot done anything with the steering sytem so I was not at all familiar with it...I should have known better. I just hope my wife forgives the Viking pretty quickly or she'll be pushing even harder for the Catlina...At least she isn't get out of boating all together! if worse comes to worse a catlina is better than no boat at all!!! LOL You can't beat the speed though...we were hitting 9 knots with the currents with just the head sail before all hell broke loose! lets see a catlina do that! LOL Danny -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20120912/d73185d0/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 09:25:59 -0400 From: Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure Message-ID: <-7839866593475179608@unknownmsgid> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Danny As my ex will tell you I know even less about women than I know about boats but you might consider offering to have the boat re surveyed to assure her it is seaworthy. Joel Aronson On Sep 12, 2012, at 9:22 AM, "djhaug...@juno.com" <djhaug...@juno.com> wrote: This is great stuff!! ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Della Barba, Joe" <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:52:10 -0400 The stops on my boat work well and prevent exactly the kind of thing that happened to you. As for your wife????????..not sure I have a fix for that that doesn?t involve a lot of money. If it makes you feel any better, my wife has over the years put up with - sometimes with good humor and sometimes not ? A failed fuel pump that I fixed with an outboard squeeze bulb. She had to squeeze the whole way home or steer while I squeezed. SQUEEZE HARDER DON?T LET IT GO SOFT was yelled frequently to encourage maintenance of fuel pressure J An engine that died on the last day of our cruise about 10 yards from the mooring. This then entailed putting the engine in the dinghy, dragging it up on the dock, and using a tree to hoist it into her car. Everything was going great until the A4- lacking a front oil seal ? dumped a quart of oil in her car. This same cruise involved several days with a heat index around 108-110 and 100% humidity at night. We tried watching a movie at night in the cockpit for more air and 1,000 moths landed on the TV. And then the engine was in the shop and my basement for 2 months getting fixed. A fuel fill hose that popped a leak and dumped several gallons of gas into the bilge. A bilge pump that for some reason ? after a decade of good service ? decided to siphon INTO the boat and caused my wife to step into almost knee-deep water around 0200 when she got up to use the head. More engine malfunctions than I can count until I finally gave the damn thing away and got another one. My wife actually accused me of LIKING these issues because one day I was dancing around yelling ?I AM A GOD OF ENGINES? after a successful MacGyver fix of some ignition malfunction. Even brand new boats have all kinds of issues. Anyone who buys a used boat or airplane has a year or two of getting everything fixed and even then it is always an adventure. A lot of cash will get you a new boat, but it isn?t easy to fix the expectation that old boats (and airplanes and antique cars and 1960s British motorcycles) will run like a Honda Civic. Cruising- (cruzing) Verb. The act of doing boat repairs in exotic locations *Joe Della Barba* Coquina C&C 35 MK I *From:* cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *djhaug...@juno.com *Sent:* Wednesday, September 12, 2012 8:32 AM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure Okay so, Here is what I think may have happened. I think, when I let go of the wheel to help furl the headsail, the rudder swung hard to port and went right past the stop. This allowed the chain to roll right off the sprocket. When I was playing around with trying to get it back, I got the chain to cable fitting to go back over the steering shaft and the stop spindle on the rudder post wheel to slip back by the stop on the bulkhead. What good is a stop if it doesn't stop anything? Anyway I guess I should have engaged the break or tied off the wheel before I let it go. I'm going to head down tonight and try and remove the cable and chain to order a new one. I'm also going to get in the water and have a look at the prop and shaft as there is some mysterious vibration happening now...I wonder if the rudder managed to swing so far as to have bent the brand new $500.00 shaft I just installed... Or maybe it bent the strut... The wife is pretty disgusted in the whole ordeal. she feels we wasted and entire summer working on this boat only to have this happen and we're not done working on it and we can't go sailing because we need to make ANOTHER repair and waste more great weather working on the boat. I think she has also lost confidence in the boat... I tried to take all the blame myself saying we didn't do enough shake down sailing and that it was my fault for letting go of the wheel and allowing the rudder to swing... Her take is that we should be able to let go of the wheel in a troubled situation and not worry about becoming disabled...I tend to agree. As much as we both like the wheel I'm considering going back to the tiller...or I need to beef up the stops or find a better solution to prevent this from happening again. I think, knowing what I know now, I will be more careful about tying the wheel off. Or...I don't know,... it is hard to believe this has never happened before... Any insights are always appreciated... Don't worry about hurting my delicate sensibilities... LOL I have to try and get the boat back in the wife's good graces or I could really end up in a Catalina.... Danny ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Martin DeYoung <mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:34:53 +0000 Friends don?t let friends buy Catalina?s, Hunter?s, or Bayliner?s. MartinCalypso 1971 C&C 43 Seattle ------------------------------ *From:* cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *djhaug...@juno.com *Sent:* Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:56 AM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure I hear ya, Russ... I'm not letting beat though...came close and the wife is saying..."Now I know why people buy the brand new Catalina..." ewwww you could have 2 or 3 catalinas for the price of the Sabre that I covet! If it hadn't been for the rough seas, the fast response of Tow BoatUS and the comfort level of my wife...I'd have dropped down below. As it turns out, if I had removed the cable or pulled the pin in the pedestal I probably would have had control again. I guess the thing is that, I had ot done anything with the steering sytem so I was not at all familiar with it...I should have known better. I just hope my wife forgives the Viking pretty quickly or she'll be pushing even harder for the Catlina...At least she isn't get out of boating all together! if worse comes to worse a catlina is better than no boat at all!!! LOL You can't beat the speed though...we were hitting 9 knots with the currents with just the head sail before all hell broke loose! lets see a catlina do that! LOL Danny _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20120912/7af91bd0/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:24:56 GMT From: "djhaug...@juno.com" <djhaug...@juno.com> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure Message-ID: <20120912.092456.1650...@webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Everything under there looks perfect. As I was looking down into the pedestal, with a flashlight, I could see one side of the chain straight down and the starboard side chin seemed to disappear toward midships....I'm thinking that is hanging up inside the pedestal... ---------- Original Message ---------- From: dwight veinot <dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 09:53:18 -0300 <![endif]--> <![endif]-->Danny The axles in the pulleys for the steering cable below deck are built to fail when stressed hard as when the rudder goes over hard…I know this from experience with my Edson system on my 35 MKII…the axles in the pulleys on my boat have a small circumferential cut that creates the weakest link which I believe was intentional in the design…nonetheless the stop could also have been dislodged but if the rudder went hard and fast all the way to the stop I would suggest you check to make sure the axles in the below deck pulleys are still good..I broke one axle but with some difficulty I was still able to steer the boat…that’s when I discovered that using the emergency tiller on a 35 MKII is not easy and requires removing the wheel…I was trying the reverse power of my H5 Autoprop propeller for the first time not realizing how much more power it had than my old 2 blade folding Martec prop and the boat developed such quick speed the wheel slippe! d right through my wife’s hands spinning her sideways and causing her to crack her elbow pretty hard on the cockpit coaming…painful and bruised but thankfully no breaks and she was a good sport about it…I manufactured and installed a new axle in the pulley, adjusted the tension on the cable and have been going OK ever since that happened about 7 years ago Dwight Veinot C&C 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com Sent: September 12, 2012 9:32 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure Okay so, Here is what I think may have happened. I think, when I let go of the wheel to help furl the headsail, the rudder swung hard to port and went right past the stop. This allowed the chain to roll right off the sprocket. When I was playing around with trying to get it back, I got the chain to cable fitting to go back over the steering shaft and the stop spindle on the rudder post wheel to slip back by the stop on the bulkhead. What good is a stop if it doesn't stop anything? Anyway I guess I should have engaged the break or tied off the wheel before I let it go. I'm going to head down tonight and try and remove the cable and chain to order a new one. I'm also going to get in the water and have a look at the prop and shaft as there is some mysterious vibration happening now...I wonder if the rudder managed to swing so far as to have bent the brand new $500.00 shaft I just installed... Or maybe it bent the strut... The wife is pretty disgusted in the whole ordeal. she feels we wasted and entire summer working on this boat only to have this happen and we're not done working on it and we can't go sailing because we need to make ANOTHER repair and waste more great weather working on the boat. I think she has also lost confidence in the boat... I tried to take all the blame myself saying we didn't do enough shake down sailing and that it was my fault for letting go of the wheel and allowing the rudder to swing... Her take is that we should be able to let go of the wheel in a troubled situation and not worry about becoming disabled...I tend to agree. As much as we both like the wheel I'm considering going back to the tiller...or I need to beef up the stops or find a better solution to prevent this from happening again. I think, knowing what I know now, I will be more careful about tying the wheel off. Or...I don't know,... it is hard to believe this has never happened before... Any insights are always appreciated... Don't worry about hurting my delicate sensibilities... LOL I have to try and get the boat back in the wife's good graces or I could really end up in a Catalina.... Danny ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Martin DeYoung <mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:34:53 +0000 Friends don’t let friends buy Catalina’s, Hunter’s, or Bayliner’s. MartinCalypso 1971 C&C 43 Seattle From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:56 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure I hear ya, Russ... I'm not letting beat though...came close and the wife is saying..."Now I know why people buy the brand new Catalina..." ewwww you could have 2 or 3 catalinas for the price of the Sabre that I covet! If it hadn't been for the rough seas, the fast response of Tow BoatUS and the comfort level of my wife...I'd have dropped down below. As it turns out, if I had removed the cable or pulled the pin in the pedestal I probably would have had control again. I guess the thing is that, I had ot done anything with the steering sytem so I was not at all familiar with it...I should have known better. I just hope my wife forgives the Viking pretty quickly or she'll be pushing even harder for the Catlina...At least she isn't get out of boating all together! if worse comes to worse a catlina is better than no boat at all!!! LOL You can't beat the speed though...we were hitting 9 knots with the currents with just the head sail before all hell broke loose! lets see a catlina do that! 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