Hi Danny,

If I come across as hard core, let me know...

I will come in with my .02 worth on this, even though my wheel has occasionally 
been so balanced that I can sit there and watch it for up to 10 minutes hands 
off, I never, never leave the helm.

If you or your wife were flying across the US, Canada, OR the Ocean, how would 
you feel if both the Captain and First Officer were seen outside the cockpit?

Heave to, wait, then figure it all out, show your crew that this can be 
controlled in a manner and that patience is the key.

Autopilots, GPS, Radar,  Furling..... all this stuff is supposed to make our 
onboard lives more convenient, but at a COST. INCREASED RISK OF FAILURE. As 
sailors, we are supposed to be able to deal with the worst case scenario, and 
build up from there.

You didn't waste the summer, and if it makes you and your wife feel any better, 
I started pulling hardware off my deck in November 2006 to clean up a horrible 
no skid paint job left by the P.O.  I am now able to dream of launching.

The time spent on your boat is learning time, zen and the art of boat 
maintenance if you will.  You will thank yourself for it, because eventually 
your body will know where everything is, because you put it there and your 
risks will thus be sharply reduced.

And finally to paraphrase a Swedish saying:

There is sunny weather, windy weather, calm weather wet weather, stormy 
weather, but there is no such thing as bad or good weather.  It is what it is, 
we prepare for it, we sail through it and enjoy the whole experience.

I will now step off the mount.... ;>}

ALEX GIANNELIA

Phone (416) 203-9858
Fax       (416) 203-9843
Cell       (416) 529-0070

email: a...@airsensing.com
WEB: www.airsensing.com


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   1. Re:  Edson chain and wire pedestal failure (Gary Nylander)
   2. Re:  Edson chain and wire pedestal failure (honeys...@aol.com)
   3. Re:  Edson chain and wire pedestal failure (djhaug...@juno.com)
   4. Re:  Edson chain and wire pedestal failure (djhaug...@juno.com)
   5. Re:  Edson chain and wire pedestal failure (Joel Aronson)
   6. Re:  Edson chain and wire pedestal failure (djhaug...@juno.com)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:53:43 -0400
From: "Gary Nylander" <gnylan...@atlanticbb.net>
To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
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I don't know how others handle situations like this, but I never leave the 
wheel without firming up the brake. I just don't want the rudder to do 
anything, period....

Gary
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: djhaug...@juno.com
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 8:32 AM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure


  Okay so,  Here is what I think may have happened.  I think, when I let go of 
the wheel to help furl the headsail, the rudder swung hard to port and went 
right past the stop.   This allowed the chain to roll right off the sprocket.   
When I was playing around with trying to get it back, I got the chain to cable 
fitting to go back over the steering shaft and the stop spindle on the rudder 
post wheel to slip back by the stop on the bulkhead.  What good is a stop if it 
doesn't stop anything?  Anyway I guess I should have engaged the break or tied 
off the wheel before I let it go.

  I'm going to head down tonight and try and remove the cable and chain to 
order a new one.  I'm also going to get in the water and have a look at the 
prop and shaft as there is some mysterious vibration happening now...I wonder 
if the rudder managed to swing so far as to have bent the brand new $500.00 
shaft I just installed...  Or maybe it bent the strut...

  The wife is pretty disgusted in the whole ordeal.  she feels we wasted and 
entire summer working on this boat only to have this happen and we're not done 
working on it and we can't go sailing because we need to make ANOTHER repair 
and waste more great weather working on the boat.   I think she has also lost 
confidence in the boat...  I tried to take all the blame myself saying we 
didn't do enough shake down sailing and that it was my fault for letting go of 
the wheel and allowing the rudder to swing...  Her take is that we should be 
able to let go of the wheel in a troubled situation and not worry about 
becoming disabled...I tend to agree.  As much as we both like the wheel I'm 
considering going back to the tiller...or I need to beef up the stops or find a 
better solution to prevent this from happening again.  I think, knowing what I 
know now, I will be more careful about tying the wheel off.  Or...I don't 
know,...  it is hard to believe this has never happened before...

  Any insights are always appreciated...  Don't worry about hurting my delicate 
sensibilities...  LOL

  I have to try and get the boat back in the wife's good graces or I could 
really end up in a Catalina....

  Danny




  ---------- Original Message ----------
  From: Martin DeYoung <mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com>
  To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
  Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:34:53 +0000



  Friends don't let friends buy Catalina's, Hunter's, or Bayliner's.



  MartinCalypso

  1971 C&C 43

  Seattle


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  From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com
  Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:56 AM
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure



  I hear ya, Russ...  I'm not letting beat though...came close and the wife is 
saying..."Now I know why people buy the brand new Catalina..."  ewwww



  you could have 2 or 3 catalinas for the price of the Sabre that I covet!



  If it hadn't been for the rough seas, the fast response of Tow BoatUS and the 
comfort level of my wife...I'd have dropped down below.  As it turns out, if I 
had removed the cable or pulled the pin in the pedestal I probably would have 
had control again.  I guess the thing is that, I had ot done anything with the 
steering sytem so I was not at all familiar with it...I should have known 
better.



  I just hope my wife forgives the Viking pretty quickly or she'll be pushing 
even harder for the Catlina...At least she isn't get out of boating all 
together!  if worse comes to worse a catlina is better than no boat at all!!!  
LOL



  You can't beat the speed though...we were hitting 9 knots with the currents 
with just the head sail before all hell broke loose!  lets see a catlina do 
that!  LOL



  Danny



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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:55:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: honeys...@aol.com
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
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I was thinking the same, it is impossible for this to happen when in
forward motion. More to the story???


In a message dated 9/12/2012 8:52:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
r...@sailpower.ca writes:

Danny. I don't understand how the rudder could have swung by the stop if
the boat was moving forward.

Rich

On 2012-09-12, at 12:32, "_djhaughey@juno.com_ (mailto:djhaug...@juno.com)
" <_djhaughey@juno.com_ (mailto:djhaug...@juno.com) >  wrote:




Okay so,  Here is what I think may have happened.  I think,  when I let go
of the wheel to help furl the headsail, the rudder swung hard to  port and
went right past the stop.   This allowed the chain to  roll right off the
sprocket.   When I was playing around with trying  to get it back, I got the
chain to cable fitting to go back over the steering  shaft and the stop
spindle on the rudder post wheel to slip back by  the stop on the bulkhead.  
What
good is a stop if it doesn't stop  anything?  Anyway I guess I should have
engaged the break or tied off the  wheel before I let it go.

I'm going to head down tonight and try and remove the cable and chain to
order a new one.  I'm also going to get in the water and have a look at  the
prop and shaft as there is some mysterious vibration happening now...I
wonder if the rudder managed to swing so far as to have bent the brand new
$500.00 shaft I just installed...  Or maybe it bent the strut...

The wife is pretty disgusted in the whole ordeal.  she feels we  wasted and
entire summer working on this boat only to have this happen and  we're not
done working on it and we can't go sailing because we need to make  ANOTHER
repair and waste more great weather working on the boat.   I  think she has
also lost confidence in the boat...  I tried to take all  the blame myself
saying we didn't do enough shake down sailing and that it was  my fault for
letting go of the wheel and allowing the rudder to swing...  Her take is that
we should be able to let go of the wheel in a troubled  situation and not
worry about becoming disabled...I tend to agree.  As  much as we both like
the wheel I'm considering going back to the tiller...or I  need to beef up the
stops or find a better solution to prevent this from  happening again.  I
think, knowing what I know now, I will be more  careful about tying the wheel
off.  Or...I don't know,...  it is  hard to believe this has never happened
before...

Any insights are always appreciated...  Don't worry about hurting my
delicate sensibilities...  LOL

I have to try and get the boat back in the wife's good graces or I could  re
ally end up in a Catalina....

Danny




---------- Original Message ----------
From: Martin DeYoung  <_mdeyoung@deyoungmfg.com_
(mailto:mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com) >
To:  "_cnc-list@cnc-list.com_ (mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com) "
<_cnc-list@cnc-list.com_ (mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com) >
Subject:  Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012  17:34:53 +0000


Friends don?t let  friends buy Catalina?s, Hunter?s, or Bayliner?s.

MartinCalypso
1971 C&C  43
Seattle


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From: _cnc-list-bounces@cnc-list.com_
(mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com)   [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] 
On Behalf Of _djhaughey@juno.com_
(mailto:djhaug...@juno.com)
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012  5:56 AM
To: _cnc-list@cnc-list.com_ (mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com)
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain  and wire pedestal failure

I hear ya, Russ...  I'm not letting beat  though...came close and the wife
is saying..."Now I know why people buy the  brand new Catalina..."  ewwww



you could have 2 or 3 catalinas for the price of the  Sabre that I covet!



If it hadn't been for the rough seas, the fast  response of Tow BoatUS and
the comfort level of my wife...I'd have dropped  down below.  As it turns
out, if I had removed the cable or pulled the  pin in the pedestal I probably
would have had control again.  I guess the  thing is that, I had ot done
anything with the steering sytem so I was not at  all familiar with it...I
should have known better.



I just hope my wife forgives the Viking pretty quickly  or she'll be
pushing even harder for the Catlina...At least she isn't get out  of boating all
together!  if worse comes to worse a catlina is better  than no boat at
all!!!  LOL



You can't beat the speed though...we were hitting 9  knots with the
currents with just the head sail before all hell broke loose!  lets see a 
catlina
do that!  LOL



Danny



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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:21:38 GMT
From: "djhaug...@juno.com" <djhaug...@juno.com>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
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Well, we were moving forward on a beam reach,   I eased the sheet and began 
furling.  When I was done furling I returned the helm, grabbed the wheel put 
the engine in reverse, as I need to do that to open the blades of the prop, and 
then into forward,  The boat turned to port and when I tried to straighten out 
she was stuck, then I gave a good pull and the wheel was stuck at first, then 
start spinning with no effect on the rudder.  That is my perspective, what else 
happened, I don't know...

---------- Original Message ----------
From: honeys...@aol.com
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:55:35 -0400 (EDT)


I was thinking the same, it is impossible for this to happen when in forward 
motion. More to the story??? In a message dated 9/12/2012 8:52:01 A.M. Eastern 
Daylight Time, r...@sailpower.ca writes:Danny. I don't understand how the 
rudder could have swung by the stop if the boat was moving forward.

Rich
On 2012-09-12, at 12:32, "djhaug...@juno.com" <djhaug...@juno.com> wrote:

 Okay so,  Here is what I think may have happened.  I think, when I let go of 
the wheel to help furl the headsail, the rudder swung hard to port and went 
right past the stop.   This allowed the chain to roll right off the sprocket.   
When I was playing around with trying to get it back, I got the chain to cable 
fitting to go back over the steering shaft and the stop spindle on the rudder 
post wheel to slip back by the stop on the bulkhead.  What good is a stop if it 
doesn't stop anything?  Anyway I guess I should have engaged the break or tied 
off the wheel before I let it go.   I'm going to head down tonight and try and 
remove the cable and chain to order a new one.  I'm also going to get in the 
water and have a look at the prop and shaft as there is some mysterious 
vibration happening now...I wonder if the rudder managed to swing so far as to 
have bent the brand new $500.00 shaft I just installed...  Or maybe it bent the 
strut... The wife is pretty disgusted in the whole o!
 rdeal.  she feels we wasted and entire summer working on this boat only to 
have this happen and we're not done working on it and we can't go sailing 
because we need to make ANOTHER repair and waste more great weather working on 
the boat.   I think she has also lost confidence in the boat...  I tried to 
take all the blame myself saying we didn't do enough shake down sailing and 
that it was my fault for letting go of the wheel and allowing the rudder to 
swing...  Her take is that we should be able to let go of the wheel in a 
troubled situation and not worry about becoming disabled...I tend to agree.  As 
much as we both like the wheel I'm considering going back to the tiller...or I 
need to beef up the stops or find a better solution to prevent this from 
happening again.  I think, knowing what I know now, I will be more careful 
about tying the wheel off.  Or...I don't know,...  it is hard to believe this 
has never happened before... Any insights are always appreciated...  Don't!
  worry about hurting my delicate sensibilities...  LOL I have to try a
nd get the boat back in the wife's good graces or I could really end up in a 
Catalina.... Danny

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Martin DeYoung <mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com>
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:34:53 +0000


Friends don&rsquo;t let friends buy Catalina&rsquo;s, Hunter&rsquo;s, or 
Bayliner&rsquo;s.

MartinCalypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle
From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:56 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure

I hear ya, Russ...  I'm not letting beat though...came close and the wife is 
saying..."Now I know why people buy the brand new Catalina..."  ewwww

you could have 2 or 3 catalinas for the price of the Sabre that I covet!

If it hadn't been for the rough seas, the fast response of Tow BoatUS and the 
comfort level of my wife...I'd have dropped down below.  As it turns out, if I 
had removed the cable or pulled the pin in the pedestal I probably would have 
had control again.  I guess the thing is that, I had ot done anything with the 
steering sytem so I was not at all familiar with it...I should have known 
better.

I just hope my wife forgives the Viking pretty quickly or she'll be pushing 
even harder for the Catlina...At least she isn't get out of boating all 
together!  if worse comes to worse a catlina is better than no boat at all!!!  
LOL

You can't beat the speed though...we were hitting 9 knots with the currents 
with just the head sail before all hell broke loose!  lets see a catlina do 
that!  LOL

Danny
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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:22:26 GMT
From: "djhaug...@juno.com" <djhaug...@juno.com>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
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This is great stuff!!

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Della Barba, Joe" <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:52:10 -0400


<![endif]--><![endif]--><![endif]-->The stops on my boat work well and prevent 
exactly the kind of thing that happened to you.
As for your 
wife&hellip;&hellip;&hellip;&hellip;&hellip;&hellip;&hellip;&hellip;..not sure 
I have a fix for that that doesn&rsquo;t involve a lot of money.
If it makes you feel any better, my wife has over the years put up with  - 
sometimes with good humor and sometimes not &ndash;
A failed fuel pump that I fixed with an outboard squeeze bulb. She had to 
squeeze the whole way home or steer while I squeezed. SQUEEZE HARDER 
DON&rsquo;T LET IT GO SOFT was yelled frequently to encourage maintenance of 
fuel pressure J
An engine that died on the last day of our cruise about 10 yards from the 
mooring. This then entailed putting the engine in the dinghy, dragging it up on 
the dock, and using a tree to hoist it into her car. Everything was going great 
until the A4- lacking a front oil seal &ndash; dumped a quart of oil in her 
car. This same cruise involved several days with a heat index around 108-110 
and 100% humidity at night. We tried watching a movie at night in the cockpit 
for more air and 1,000 moths landed on the TV.  And then the engine was in the 
shop and my basement for 2 months getting fixed.
A fuel fill hose that popped a leak and dumped several gallons of gas into the 
bilge.
A bilge pump that for some reason &ndash; after a decade of good service 
&ndash; decided to siphon INTO the boat and caused my wife to step into almost 
knee-deep water around 0200 when she got up to use the head.
More engine malfunctions than I can count until I finally gave the damn thing 
away and got another one. My wife actually accused me of LIKING these issues 
because one day I was dancing around yelling &ldquo;I AM A GOD OF 
ENGINES&rdquo; after a successful MacGyver fix of some ignition malfunction.

Even brand new boats have all kinds of issues. Anyone who buys a used boat or 
airplane has a year or two of getting everything fixed and even then it is 
always an adventure. A lot of cash will get you a new boat, but it isn&rsquo;t 
easy to fix the expectation that old boats (and airplanes and antique cars and 
1960s British motorcycles) will run like a Honda Civic.

Cruising- (cruzing) Verb. The act of doing boat repairs in exotic locations

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I

From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 8:32 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure

Okay so,  Here is what I think may have happened.  I think, when I let go of 
the wheel to help furl the headsail, the rudder swung hard to port and went 
right past the stop.   This allowed the chain to roll right off the sprocket.   
When I was playing around with trying to get it back, I got the chain to cable 
fitting to go back over the steering shaft and the stop spindle on the rudder 
post wheel to slip back by the stop on the bulkhead.  What good is a stop if it 
doesn't stop anything?  Anyway I guess I should have engaged the break or tied 
off the wheel before I let it go.

I'm going to head down tonight and try and remove the cable and chain to order 
a new one.  I'm also going to get in the water and have a look at the prop and 
shaft as there is some mysterious vibration happening now...I wonder if the 
rudder managed to swing so far as to have bent the brand new $500.00 shaft I 
just installed...  Or maybe it bent the strut...

The wife is pretty disgusted in the whole ordeal.  she feels we wasted and 
entire summer working on this boat only to have this happen and we're not done 
working on it and we can't go sailing because we need to make ANOTHER repair 
and waste more great weather working on the boat.   I think she has also lost 
confidence in the boat...  I tried to take all the blame myself saying we 
didn't do enough shake down sailing and that it was my fault for letting go of 
the wheel and allowing the rudder to swing...  Her take is that we should be 
able to let go of the wheel in a troubled situation and not worry about 
becoming disabled...I tend to agree.  As much as we both like the wheel I'm 
considering going back to the tiller...or I need to beef up the stops or find a 
better solution to prevent this from happening again.  I think, knowing what I 
know now, I will be more careful about tying the wheel off.  Or...I don't 
know,...  it is hard to believe this has never happened before...

Any insights are always appreciated...  Don't worry about hurting my delicate 
sensibilities...  LOL

I have to try and get the boat back in the wife's good graces or I could really 
end up in a Catalina....

Danny




---------- Original Message ----------
From: Martin DeYoung <mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com>
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:34:53 +0000
Friends don&rsquo;t let friends buy Catalina&rsquo;s, Hunter&rsquo;s, or 
Bayliner&rsquo;s.

MartinCalypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle
From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:56 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure

I hear ya, Russ...  I'm not letting beat though...came close and the wife is 
saying..."Now I know why people buy the brand new Catalina..."  ewwww

you could have 2 or 3 catalinas for the price of the Sabre that I covet!

If it hadn't been for the rough seas, the fast response of Tow BoatUS and the 
comfort level of my wife...I'd have dropped down below.  As it turns out, if I 
had removed the cable or pulled the pin in the pedestal I probably would have 
had control again.  I guess the thing is that, I had ot done anything with the 
steering sytem so I was not at all familiar with it...I should have known 
better.

I just hope my wife forgives the Viking pretty quickly or she'll be pushing 
even harder for the Catlina...At least she isn't get out of boating all 
together!  if worse comes to worse a catlina is better than no boat at all!!!  
LOL

You can't beat the speed though...we were hitting 9 knots with the currents 
with just the head sail before all hell broke loose!  lets see a catlina do 
that!  LOL

Danny
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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 09:25:59 -0400
From: Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com>
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
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Danny
As my ex will tell you I know even less about women than I know about boats
but you might consider offering to have the boat re surveyed to assure her
it is seaworthy.

Joel Aronson


On Sep 12, 2012, at 9:22 AM, "djhaug...@juno.com" <djhaug...@juno.com>
wrote:

This is great stuff!!

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Della Barba, Joe" <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:52:10 -0400

The stops on my boat work well and prevent exactly the kind of thing that
happened to you.

As for your wife????????..not sure I have a fix for that that doesn?t
involve a lot of money.

If it makes you feel any better, my wife has over the years put up with  -
sometimes with good humor and sometimes not ?

A failed fuel pump that I fixed with an outboard squeeze bulb. She had to
squeeze the whole way home or steer while I squeezed. SQUEEZE HARDER DON?T
LET IT GO SOFT was yelled frequently to encourage maintenance of fuel
pressure J

An engine that died on the last day of our cruise about 10 yards from the
mooring. This then entailed putting the engine in the dinghy, dragging it
up on the dock, and using a tree to hoist it into her car. Everything was
going great until the A4- lacking a front oil seal ? dumped a quart of oil
in her car. This same cruise involved several days with a heat index around
108-110 and 100% humidity at night. We tried watching a movie at night in
the cockpit for more air and 1,000 moths landed on the TV.  And then the
engine was in the shop and my basement for 2 months getting fixed.

A fuel fill hose that popped a leak and dumped several gallons of gas into
the bilge.

A bilge pump that for some reason ? after a decade of good service ?
decided to siphon INTO the boat and caused my wife to step into almost
knee-deep water around 0200 when she got up to use the head.

More engine malfunctions than I can count until I finally gave the damn
thing away and got another one. My wife actually accused me of LIKING these
issues because one day I was dancing around yelling ?I AM A GOD OF ENGINES?
after a successful MacGyver fix of some ignition malfunction.



Even brand new boats have all kinds of issues. Anyone who buys a used boat
or airplane has a year or two of getting everything fixed and even then it
is always an adventure. A lot of cash will get you a new boat, but it isn?t
easy to fix the expectation that old boats (and airplanes and antique cars
and 1960s British motorcycles) will run like a Honda Civic.



Cruising- (cruzing) Verb. The act of doing boat repairs in exotic locations



*Joe Della Barba*

Coquina

C&C 35 MK I



*From:* cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
*On Behalf Of *djhaug...@juno.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 12, 2012 8:32 AM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure



Okay so,  Here is what I think may have happened.  I think, when I let go
of the wheel to help furl the headsail, the rudder swung hard to port
and went right past the stop.   This allowed the chain to roll right off
the sprocket.   When I was playing around with trying to get it back, I got
the chain to cable fitting to go back over the steering shaft and the stop
spindle on the rudder post wheel to slip back by the stop on the bulkhead.
 What good is a stop if it doesn't stop anything?  Anyway I guess I should
have engaged the break or tied off the wheel before I let it go.



I'm going to head down tonight and try and remove the cable and chain to
order a new one.  I'm also going to get in the water and have a look at the
prop and shaft as there is some mysterious vibration happening now...I
wonder if the rudder managed to swing so far as to have bent the brand new
$500.00 shaft I just installed...  Or maybe it bent the strut...



The wife is pretty disgusted in the whole ordeal.  she feels we wasted and
entire summer working on this boat only to have this happen and we're not
done working on it and we can't go sailing because we need to make ANOTHER
repair and waste more great weather working on the boat.   I think she has
also lost confidence in the boat...  I tried to take all the blame myself
saying we didn't do enough shake down sailing and that it was my fault for
letting go of the wheel and allowing the rudder to swing...  Her take is
that we should be able to let go of the wheel in a troubled situation and
not worry about becoming disabled...I tend to agree.  As much as we both
like the wheel I'm considering going back to the tiller...or I need to beef
up the stops or find a better solution to prevent this from happening
again.  I think, knowing what I know now, I will be more careful about
tying the wheel off.  Or...I don't know,...  it is hard to believe this has
never happened before...



Any insights are always appreciated...  Don't worry about hurting my
delicate sensibilities...  LOL



I have to try and get the boat back in the wife's good graces or I could
really end up in a Catalina....



Danny







---------- Original Message ----------
From: Martin DeYoung <mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com>
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:34:53 +0000

Friends don?t let friends buy Catalina?s, Hunter?s, or Bayliner?s.



MartinCalypso

1971 C&C 43

Seattle
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*From:* cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
*On Behalf Of *djhaug...@juno.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:56 AM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure



I hear ya, Russ...  I'm not letting beat though...came close and the wife
is saying..."Now I know why people buy the brand new Catalina..."  ewwww



you could have 2 or 3 catalinas for the price of the Sabre that I covet!



If it hadn't been for the rough seas, the fast response of Tow BoatUS and
the comfort level of my wife...I'd have dropped down below.  As it turns
out, if I had removed the cable or pulled the pin in the pedestal I
probably would have had control again.  I guess the thing is that, I had ot
done anything with the steering sytem so I was not at all familiar with
it...I should have known better.



I just hope my wife forgives the Viking pretty quickly or she'll be pushing
even harder for the Catlina...At least she isn't get out of boating all
together!  if worse comes to worse a catlina is better than no boat at
all!!!  LOL



You can't beat the speed though...we were hitting 9 knots with the currents
with just the head sail before all hell broke loose!  lets see a catlina do
that!  LOL



Danny

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From: "djhaug...@juno.com" <djhaug...@juno.com>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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Everything under there looks perfect.  As I was looking down into the pedestal, 
with a flashlight,  I could see one side of the chain straight down and the 
starboard side chin seemed to disappear toward midships....I'm thinking that is 
hanging up inside the pedestal...

---------- Original Message ----------
From: dwight veinot <dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 09:53:18 -0300


<![endif]-->
<![endif]-->Danny
The axles in the pulleys for the steering cable below deck are built to fail 
when stressed hard as when the rudder goes over hard&hellip;I know this from 
experience with my Edson system on my 35 MKII&hellip;the axles in the pulleys 
on my boat have a small circumferential cut that creates the weakest link which 
I believe was intentional in the design&hellip;nonetheless the stop could also 
have been dislodged but if the rudder went hard and fast all the way to the 
stop I would suggest you check to make sure the axles in the below deck pulleys 
are still good..I broke one axle but with some difficulty I was still able to 
steer the boat&hellip;that&rsquo;s when I discovered that using the emergency 
tiller on a 35 MKII is not easy and requires removing the wheel&hellip;I was 
trying the reverse power of my H5 Autoprop propeller for the first time not 
realizing how much more power it had than my old 2 blade folding Martec prop 
and the boat developed such quick speed the wheel slippe!
 d right through my wife&rsquo;s hands spinning her sideways and causing her to 
crack her elbow pretty hard on the cockpit coaming&hellip;painful and bruised 
but thankfully no breaks and she was a good sport about it&hellip;I 
manufactured and installed a new axle in the pulley, adjusted the tension on 
the cable and have been going OK ever since that happened about 7 years ago

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com
 Sent: September 12, 2012 9:32 AM
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure

Okay so,  Here is what I think may have happened.  I think, when I let go of 
the wheel to help furl the headsail, the rudder swung hard to port and went 
right past the stop.   This allowed the chain to roll right off the sprocket.   
When I was playing around with trying to get it back, I got the chain to cable 
fitting to go back over the steering shaft and the stop spindle on the rudder 
post wheel to slip back by the stop on the bulkhead.  What good is a stop if it 
doesn't stop anything?  Anyway I guess I should have engaged the break or tied 
off the wheel before I let it go.

I'm going to head down tonight and try and remove the cable and chain to order 
a new one.  I'm also going to get in the water and have a look at the prop and 
shaft as there is some mysterious vibration happening now...I wonder if the 
rudder managed to swing so far as to have bent the brand new $500.00 shaft I 
just installed...  Or maybe it bent the strut...

The wife is pretty disgusted in the whole ordeal.  she feels we wasted and 
entire summer working on this boat only to have this happen and we're not done 
working on it and we can't go sailing because we need to make ANOTHER repair 
and waste more great weather working on the boat.   I think she has also lost 
confidence in the boat...  I tried to take all the blame myself saying we 
didn't do enough shake down sailing and that it was my fault for letting go of 
the wheel and allowing the rudder to swing...  Her take is that we should be 
able to let go of the wheel in a troubled situation and not worry about 
becoming disabled...I tend to agree.  As much as we both like the wheel I'm 
considering going back to the tiller...or I need to beef up the stops or find a 
better solution to prevent this from happening again.  I think, knowing what I 
know now, I will be more careful about tying the wheel off.  Or...I don't 
know,...  it is hard to believe this has never happened before...

Any insights are always appreciated...  Don't worry about hurting my delicate 
sensibilities...  LOL

I have to try and get the boat back in the wife's good graces or I could really 
end up in a Catalina....

Danny




 ---------- Original Message ----------
 From: Martin DeYoung <mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com>
 To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure
 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:34:53 +0000
Friends don&rsquo;t let friends buy Catalina&rsquo;s, Hunter&rsquo;s, or 
Bayliner&rsquo;s.

MartinCalypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle
From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com
 Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:56 AM
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure

I hear ya, Russ...  I'm not letting beat though...came close and the wife is 
saying..."Now I know why people buy the brand new Catalina..."  ewwww

you could have 2 or 3 catalinas for the price of the Sabre that I covet!

If it hadn't been for the rough seas, the fast response of Tow BoatUS and the 
comfort level of my wife...I'd have dropped down below.  As it turns out, if I 
had removed the cable or pulled the pin in the pedestal I probably would have 
had control again.  I guess the thing is that, I had ot done anything with the 
steering sytem so I was not at all familiar with it...I should have known 
better.

I just hope my wife forgives the Viking pretty quickly or she'll be pushing 
even harder for the Catlina...At least she isn't get out of boating all 
together!  if worse comes to worse a catlina is better than no boat at all!!!  
LOL

You can't beat the speed though...we were hitting 9 knots with the currents 
with just the head sail before all hell broke loose!  lets see a catlina do 
that!  LOL

Danny
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