Thanks Gary and good to hear from you again! I will definitely do that, the exhaust already does that and someone told me I should put one of those vacuum breaks on it, so that is why I thought about it.
My 6 year "deck restoration" project is slowly coming to an end.... ALEX GIANNELIA Phone (416) 203-9858 Fax (416) 203-9843 Cell (416) 529-0070 email: a...@airsensing.com WEB: www.airsensing.com -----Original Message----- From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com Sent: September 12, 2012 8:53 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: CnC-List Digest, Vol 80, Issue 30 Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to cnc-list@cnc-list.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com You can reach the person managing the list at cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Reverse Flow on Transom Bilge Outflow (Gary Russell) 2. Re: 35-3 spin pole downhaul question (Jake Brodersen) 3. Re: 35-3 spin pole downhaul question (Joel Aronson) 4. Re: 35-3 spin pole downhaul question (Morgenstern, Keith E CIV SEA 08 NR) 5. Re: Edson chain and wire pedestal failure (djhaug...@juno.com) 6. Re: Edson chain and wire pedestal failure (Rich Knowles) 7. Re: Edson chain and wire pedestal failure (Della Barba, Joe) 8. Re: Edson chain and wire pedestal failure (dwight veinot) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 04:55:39 -0400 From: Gary Russell <captnga...@gmail.com> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Reverse Flow on Transom Bilge Outflow Message-ID: <cabgkxpjcslyza6cqdd4hgavhewwycz-qbt2w_aeuzu5ihl7...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Alex, We had the exact same problem with Expresso when we first got her and solved the problem with a loop in the bilge pump line that entered the transom and was routed up to just below the deck level before returning down to the bilge pump. No more problem. No valves of any kind required. Gary S/V Expresso '75 C&C 35 Mk II On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 11:31 PM, Alex Giannelia <a...@airsensing.com> wrote: > WE had a race years ago, where we sucked water into the manual bilge pump > going 10+ kts downwind under the kite. Had to run the electric and hand > pump to get the water to go back out again, made me think that you might > need one of those vacuum breaks in the bilge pump outflow. Any lister > tried those? > > ALEX GIANNELIA > > Phone (416) 203-9858 > Fax (416) 203-9843 > Cell (416) 529-0070 > > email: a...@airsensing.com > WEB: www.airsensing.com > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > -- ~~~~~~~_/)~~~~~~ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20120912/5ae143e3/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 05:56:29 -0400 From: "Jake Brodersen" <captain_j...@cox.net> To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List 35-3 spin pole downhaul question Message-ID: <0b8301cd90cc$e1b16580$a5143080$@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Graham, We use a double ended downhaul. It runs from a pair of blocks mounted just aft of the anchor locker, along the sides of the cabin (at deck level), to the cockpit coaming. I probably have three fairleads on each side. No real contact occurs with the cabin or deck when the system is under load. The double ended system makes it easier to adjust without a winch, especially since we do end-for-end gybes. If the downhaul went all the way to the bow, a single line would work fine. Jake Jake Brodersen C&C 35 Mk-III "Midnight Mistress Hampton VA -----Original Message----- From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Graham Collins Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 8:50 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List 35-3 spin pole downhaul question A question, somewhat specific for the other 35-3 owners. When we use our spin pole the pole downhaul is run from the pole, down to a snatch block on the foredeck (padeye on the deck), and back along the side of the cabin through a couple of fairleads (usually starboard side, but can do it on the other side as well). We use a single run of 3/8" for this. I'm not hugely happy with this as it drags on the forward corner of the cabin side (forward of the hatch). Any better routing methods for this? My apologies, I'm probably doing a crap job describing it. -- Graham Collins Secret Plans C&C 35-III #11 _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:10:06 -0400 From: Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List 35-3 spin pole downhaul question Message-ID: <6284594367092853711@unknownmsgid> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Tim, SS tape? Where do you buy it? Hope you are back on the water! Joel Sent from my iPad On Sep 12, 2012, at 1:06 AM, Tim Goodyear <timg...@gmail.com> wrote: We have a single line arrangement to starboard on Mojito. We have a turning block for the foreguy foreward of the anchor locker and then (fair) leads back to the clutches on the starboard side of the companionway. 2:1 doesn't seem to be necessary as long as you have someone in the pit position, and we don't foul the cabin top at all. If it does, why not add some stainless tape to save chafing? Tim Mojito 1984 C&C 35-3 On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 10:24 PM, Dennis C. <capt...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Not a 35-3 but perhaps a solution you'd consider. > > Touche's pole downhaul is doubled so it can be adjusted from either side. > It does not run across the cabin but instead runs down the deck just inside > the toe rails. > > The 2:1 downhaul runs through a single swivel block with snapshackle that > clips to the bridle ring. The two ends are run down to 2 swivel single > blocks attached to the foredeck padeye on a single springhook. From each > single block, a line runs down each side of the boat through single blocks > which are attached to stanchion bases by springhooks. From the stanchions > just forward of the cockpit, the lines run to angled camcleats on either > side of the cabin. The two ends are tied together in the cockpit and > usually tossed below into the cabin. The lines are easily reached and > adjusted by the guy trimmer as required. > > The whole system is removed between regattas. > > Dennis C. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com> > *To:* "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 11, 2012 8:03 PM > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 35-3 spin pole downhaul question > > I understand it. I have the same setup only on starboard. Only > solutions I can think of are to add another fairlead or to use a > length of line or wire to raise up the snatch block. > > Joel > Sent from my iPad > > On Sep 11, 2012, at 8:49 PM, Graham Collins <cnclistforw...@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > A question, somewhat specific for the other 35-3 owners. > > > > When we use our spin pole the pole downhaul is run from the pole, down > to a snatch block on the foredeck (padeye on the deck), and back along the > side of the cabin through a couple of fairleads (usually starboard side, > but can do it on the other side as well). We use a single run of 3/8" for > this. > > > > I'm not hugely happy with this as it drags on the forward corner of the > cabin side (forward of the hatch). > > > > Any better routing methods for this? > > > > My apologies, I'm probably doing a crap job describing it. > > > > -- > > Graham Collins > > Secret Plans > > C&C 35-III #11 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20120912/8642a074/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:14:09 -0400 From: "Morgenstern, Keith E CIV SEA 08 NR" <keith.morgenst...@navy.mil> To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List 35-3 spin pole downhaul question Message-ID: <416555317bfacf4495f3085eb84b0151e55...@naeawnydez11v.nadsusea.nads.navy.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Our downhaul arrangement has many similarities on my 35-3. But instead of running the line down the toerail, we run it along the cabin sides. I mounted two small-ish eye straps about 1.5" forward of each corner of the forward hatch, and have a block on each. The deck and cabin liner come together in that area, so it is very strong. Plus, that way there isn't any hardware in the middle of the foredeck to trip people up. The down-haul is double-ended so you can adjust it from either tack. Then there are two fair-leads (bullseyes) on the cabin top, mounted between the shrouds and the mast so that they don't get snagged by jib sheets and the like. The only downsides are that 1) occasionally when you go to close the forward hatch, you have to move aside the blocks mounted close by, but no biggie. And 2) when you go to pull the spinnaker down the hatch, there is a set of lines closeby, but we've never really had problems with that. -Keith M -----Original Message----- From: Dennis C. [mailto:capt...@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 22:25 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List 35-3 spin pole downhaul question Not a 35-3 but perhaps a solution you'd consider. Touche's pole downhaul is doubled so it can be adjusted from either side. It does not run across the cabin but instead runs down the deck just inside the toe rails. The 2:1 downhaul runs through a single swivel block with snapshackle that clips to the bridle ring. The two ends are run down to 2 swivel single blocks attached to the foredeck padeye on a single springhook. >From each single block, a line runs down each side of the boat through single blocks which are attached to stanchion bases by springhooks. >From the stanchions just forward of the cockpit, the lines run to angled camcleats on either side of the cabin. The two ends are tied together in the cockpit and usually tossed below into the cabin. The lines are easily reached and adjusted by the guy trimmer as required. The whole system is removed between regattas. Dennis C. ________________________________ From: Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 8:03 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List 35-3 spin pole downhaul question I understand it. I have the same setup only on starboard. Only solutions I can think of are to add another fairlead or to use a length of line or wire to raise up the snatch block. Joel Sent from my iPad On Sep 11, 2012, at 8:49 PM, Graham Collins <cnclistforw...@hotmail.com> wrote: > A question, somewhat specific for the other 35-3 owners. > > When we use our spin pole the pole downhaul is run from the pole, down to a snatch block on the foredeck (padeye on the deck), and back along the side of the cabin through a couple of fairleads (usually starboard side, but can do it on the other side as well). We use a single run of 3/8" for this. > > I'm not hugely happy with this as it drags on the forward corner of the cabin side (forward of the hatch). > > Any better routing methods for this? > > My apologies, I'm probably doing a crap job describing it. > > -- > Graham Collins > Secret Plans > C&C 35-III #11 > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com <http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/> CnC-List@cnc-list.com ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:32:07 GMT From: "djhaug...@juno.com" <djhaug...@juno.com> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure Message-ID: <20120912.083207.1650...@webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Okay so, Here is what I think may have happened. I think, when I let go of the wheel to help furl the headsail, the rudder swung hard to port and went right past the stop. This allowed the chain to roll right off the sprocket. When I was playing around with trying to get it back, I got the chain to cable fitting to go back over the steering shaft and the stop spindle on the rudder post wheel to slip back by the stop on the bulkhead. What good is a stop if it doesn't stop anything? Anyway I guess I should have engaged the break or tied off the wheel before I let it go. I'm going to head down tonight and try and remove the cable and chain to order a new one. I'm also going to get in the water and have a look at the prop and shaft as there is some mysterious vibration happening now...I wonder if the rudder managed to swing so far as to have bent the brand new $500.00 shaft I just installed... Or maybe it bent the strut... The wife is pretty disgusted in the whole or! deal. she feels we wasted and entire summer working on this boat only to have this happen and we're not done working on it and we can't go sailing because we need to make ANOTHER repair and waste more great weather working on the boat. I think she has also lost confidence in the boat... I tried to take all the blame myself saying we didn't do enough shake down sailing and that it was my fault for letting go of the wheel and allowing the rudder to swing... Her take is that we should be able to let go of the wheel in a troubled situation and not worry about becoming disabled...I tend to agree. As much as we both like the wheel I'm considering going back to the tiller...or I need to beef up the stops or find a better solution to prevent this from happening again. I think, knowing what I know now, I will be more careful about tying the wheel off. Or...I don't know,... it is hard to believe this has never happened before... Any insights are always appreciated... Don't ! worry about hurting my delicate sensibilities... LOL I have to try an d get the boat back in the wife's good graces or I could really end up in a Catalina.... Danny ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Martin DeYoung <mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:34:53 +0000 <![endif]--><![endif]-->Friends don’t let friends buy Catalina’s, Hunter’s, or Bayliner’s. MartinCalypso 1971 C&C 43 Seattle From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:56 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure I hear ya, Russ... I'm not letting beat though...came close and the wife is saying..."Now I know why people buy the brand new Catalina..." ewwww you could have 2 or 3 catalinas for the price of the Sabre that I covet! If it hadn't been for the rough seas, the fast response of Tow BoatUS and the comfort level of my wife...I'd have dropped down below. As it turns out, if I had removed the cable or pulled the pin in the pedestal I probably would have had control again. I guess the thing is that, I had ot done anything with the steering sytem so I was not at all familiar with it...I should have known better. I just hope my wife forgives the Viking pretty quickly or she'll be pushing even harder for the Catlina...At least she isn't get out of boating all together! if worse comes to worse a catlina is better than no boat at all!!! LOL You can't beat the speed though...we were hitting 9 knots with the currents with just the head sail before all hell broke loose! lets see a catlina do that! LOL Danny -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20120912/94b09613/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:51:50 -0400 From: Rich Knowles <r...@sailpower.ca> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure Message-ID: <1a076711-02cc-4d32-b4b0-c1226c996...@sailpower.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Danny. I don't understand how the rudder could have swung by the stop if the boat was moving forward. Rich On 2012-09-12, at 12:32, "djhaug...@juno.com" <djhaug...@juno.com> wrote: Okay so, Here is what I think may have happened. I think, when I let go of the wheel to help furl the headsail, the rudder swung hard to port and went right past the stop. This allowed the chain to roll right off the sprocket. When I was playing around with trying to get it back, I got the chain to cable fitting to go back over the steering shaft and the stop spindle on the rudder post wheel to slip back by the stop on the bulkhead. What good is a stop if it doesn't stop anything? Anyway I guess I should have engaged the break or tied off the wheel before I let it go. I'm going to head down tonight and try and remove the cable and chain to order a new one. I'm also going to get in the water and have a look at the prop and shaft as there is some mysterious vibration happening now...I wonder if the rudder managed to swing so far as to have bent the brand new $500.00 shaft I just installed... Or maybe it bent the strut... The wife is pretty disgusted in the whole ordeal. she feels we wasted and entire summer working on this boat only to have this happen and we're not done working on it and we can't go sailing because we need to make ANOTHER repair and waste more great weather working on the boat. I think she has also lost confidence in the boat... I tried to take all the blame myself saying we didn't do enough shake down sailing and that it was my fault for letting go of the wheel and allowing the rudder to swing... Her take is that we should be able to let go of the wheel in a troubled situation and not worry about becoming disabled...I tend to agree. As much as we both like the wheel I'm considering going back to the tiller...or I need to beef up the stops or find a better solution to prevent this from happening again. I think, knowing what I know now, I will be more careful about tying the wheel off. Or...I don't know,... it is hard to believe this has never happened before... Any insights are always appreciated... Don't worry about hurting my delicate sensibilities... LOL I have to try and get the boat back in the wife's good graces or I could really end up in a Catalina.... Danny ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Martin DeYoung <mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:34:53 +0000 Friends don?t let friends buy Catalina?s, Hunter?s, or Bayliner?s. MartinCalypso 1971 C&C 43 Seattle From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:56 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure I hear ya, Russ... I'm not letting beat though...came close and the wife is saying..."Now I know why people buy the brand new Catalina..." ewwww you could have 2 or 3 catalinas for the price of the Sabre that I covet! If it hadn't been for the rough seas, the fast response of Tow BoatUS and the comfort level of my wife...I'd have dropped down below. As it turns out, if I had removed the cable or pulled the pin in the pedestal I probably would have had control again. I guess the thing is that, I had ot done anything with the steering sytem so I was not at all familiar with it...I should have known better. I just hope my wife forgives the Viking pretty quickly or she'll be pushing even harder for the Catlina...At least she isn't get out of boating all together! if worse comes to worse a catlina is better than no boat at all!!! LOL You can't beat the speed though...we were hitting 9 knots with the currents with just the head sail before all hell broke loose! lets see a catlina do that! LOL Danny _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20120912/8addb585/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:52:10 -0400 From: "Della Barba, Joe" <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure Message-ID: <1073606396712942aee54d9a960e45a71379304...@hq-mb-07.ba.ad.ssa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The stops on my boat work well and prevent exactly the kind of thing that happened to you. As for your wife..........................not sure I have a fix for that that doesn't involve a lot of money. If it makes you feel any better, my wife has over the years put up with - sometimes with good humor and sometimes not - A failed fuel pump that I fixed with an outboard squeeze bulb. She had to squeeze the whole way home or steer while I squeezed. SQUEEZE HARDER DON'T LET IT GO SOFT was yelled frequently to encourage maintenance of fuel pressure :) An engine that died on the last day of our cruise about 10 yards from the mooring. This then entailed putting the engine in the dinghy, dragging it up on the dock, and using a tree to hoist it into her car. Everything was going great until the A4- lacking a front oil seal - dumped a quart of oil in her car. This same cruise involved several days with a heat index around 108-110 and 100% humidity at night. We tried watching a movie at night in the cockpit for more air and 1,000 moths landed on the TV. And then the engine was in the shop and my basement for 2 months getting fixed. A fuel fill hose that popped a leak and dumped several gallons of gas into the bilge. A bilge pump that for some reason - after a decade of good service - decided to siphon INTO the boat and caused my wife to step into almost knee-deep water around 0200 when she got up to use the head. More engine malfunctions than I can count until I finally gave the damn thing away and got another one. My wife actually accused me of LIKING these issues because one day I was dancing around yelling "I AM A GOD OF ENGINES" after a successful MacGyver fix of some ignition malfunction. Even brand new boats have all kinds of issues. Anyone who buys a used boat or airplane has a year or two of getting everything fixed and even then it is always an adventure. A lot of cash will get you a new boat, but it isn't easy to fix the expectation that old boats (and airplanes and antique cars and 1960s British motorcycles) will run like a Honda Civic. Cruising- (cruzing) Verb. The act of doing boat repairs in exotic locations Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 8:32 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure Okay so, Here is what I think may have happened. I think, when I let go of the wheel to help furl the headsail, the rudder swung hard to port and went right past the stop. This allowed the chain to roll right off the sprocket. When I was playing around with trying to get it back, I got the chain to cable fitting to go back over the steering shaft and the stop spindle on the rudder post wheel to slip back by the stop on the bulkhead. What good is a stop if it doesn't stop anything? Anyway I guess I should have engaged the break or tied off the wheel before I let it go. I'm going to head down tonight and try and remove the cable and chain to order a new one. I'm also going to get in the water and have a look at the prop and shaft as there is some mysterious vibration happening now...I wonder if the rudder managed to swing so far as to have bent the brand new $500.00 shaft I just installed... Or maybe it bent the strut... The wife is pretty disgusted in the whole ordeal. she feels we wasted and entire summer working on this boat only to have this happen and we're not done working on it and we can't go sailing because we need to make ANOTHER repair and waste more great weather working on the boat. I think she has also lost confidence in the boat... I tried to take all the blame myself saying we didn't do enough shake down sailing and that it was my fault for letting go of the wheel and allowing the rudder to swing... Her take is that we should be able to let go of the wheel in a troubled situation and not worry about becoming disabled...I tend to agree. As much as we both like the wheel I'm considering going back to the tiller...or I need to beef up the stops or find a better solution to prevent this from happening again. I think, knowing what I know now, I will be more careful about tying the wheel off. Or...I don't know,... it is hard to believe this has never happened before... Any insights are always appreciated... Don't worry about hurting my delicate sensibilities... LOL I have to try and get the boat back in the wife's good graces or I could really end up in a Catalina.... Danny ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Martin DeYoung <mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com<mailto:mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com>> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:34:53 +0000 Friends don't let friends buy Catalina's, Hunter's, or Bayliner's. MartinCalypso 1971 C&C 43 Seattle ________________________________ From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]<mailto:[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]> On Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com<mailto:djhaug...@juno.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:56 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure I hear ya, Russ... I'm not letting beat though...came close and the wife is saying..."Now I know why people buy the brand new Catalina..." ewwww you could have 2 or 3 catalinas for the price of the Sabre that I covet! If it hadn't been for the rough seas, the fast response of Tow BoatUS and the comfort level of my wife...I'd have dropped down below. As it turns out, if I had removed the cable or pulled the pin in the pedestal I probably would have had control again. I guess the thing is that, I had ot done anything with the steering sytem so I was not at all familiar with it...I should have known better. I just hope my wife forgives the Viking pretty quickly or she'll be pushing even harder for the Catlina...At least she isn't get out of boating all together! if worse comes to worse a catlina is better than no boat at all!!! LOL You can't beat the speed though...we were hitting 9 knots with the currents with just the head sail before all hell broke loose! lets see a catlina do that! LOL Danny -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20120912/0da5d472/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 09:53:18 -0300 From: dwight veinot <dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure Message-ID: <FFAB8DB530B94FEBB63B661D6FE2A578@your4dacd0ea75> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Danny The axles in the pulleys for the steering cable below deck are built to fail when stressed hard as when the rudder goes over hard.I know this from experience with my Edson system on my 35 MKII.the axles in the pulleys on my boat have a small circumferential cut that creates the weakest link which I believe was intentional in the design.nonetheless the stop could also have been dislodged but if the rudder went hard and fast all the way to the stop I would suggest you check to make sure the axles in the below deck pulleys are still good..I broke one axle but with some difficulty I was still able to steer the boat.that's when I discovered that using the emergency tiller on a 35 MKII is not easy and requires removing the wheel.I was trying the reverse power of my H5 Autoprop propeller for the first time not realizing how much more power it had than my old 2 blade folding Martec prop and the boat developed such quick speed the wheel slipped right through my wife's hands spinning her sideways and causing her to crack her elbow pretty hard on the cockpit coaming.painful and bruised but thankfully no breaks and she was a good sport about it.I manufactured and installed a new axle in the pulley, adjusted the tension on the cable and have been going OK ever since that happened about 7 years ago Dwight Veinot C&C 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS _____ From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com Sent: September 12, 2012 9:32 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure Okay so, Here is what I think may have happened. I think, when I let go of the wheel to help furl the headsail, the rudder swung hard to port and went right past the stop. This allowed the chain to roll right off the sprocket. When I was playing around with trying to get it back, I got the chain to cable fitting to go back over the steering shaft and the stop spindle on the rudder post wheel to slip back by the stop on the bulkhead. What good is a stop if it doesn't stop anything? Anyway I guess I should have engaged the break or tied off the wheel before I let it go. I'm going to head down tonight and try and remove the cable and chain to order a new one. I'm also going to get in the water and have a look at the prop and shaft as there is some mysterious vibration happening now...I wonder if the rudder managed to swing so far as to have bent the brand new $500.00 shaft I just installed... Or maybe it bent the strut... The wife is pretty disgusted in the whole ordeal. she feels we wasted and entire summer working on this boat only to have this happen and we're not done working on it and we can't go sailing because we need to make ANOTHER repair and waste more great weather working on the boat. I think she has also lost confidence in the boat... I tried to take all the blame myself saying we didn't do enough shake down sailing and that it was my fault for letting go of the wheel and allowing the rudder to swing... Her take is that we should be able to let go of the wheel in a troubled situation and not worry about becoming disabled...I tend to agree. As much as we both like the wheel I'm considering going back to the tiller...or I need to beef up the stops or find a better solution to prevent this from happening again. I think, knowing what I know now, I will be more careful about tying the wheel off. Or...I don't know,... it is hard to believe this has never happened before... Any insights are always appreciated... Don't worry about hurting my delicate sensibilities... LOL I have to try and get the boat back in the wife's good graces or I could really end up in a Catalina.... Danny ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Martin DeYoung <mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:34:53 +0000 Friends don't let friends buy Catalina's, Hunter's, or Bayliner's. MartinCalypso 1971 C&C 43 Seattle _____ From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:56 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Edson chain and wire pedestal failure I hear ya, Russ... I'm not letting beat though...came close and the wife is saying..."Now I know why people buy the brand new Catalina..." ewwww you could have 2 or 3 catalinas for the price of the Sabre that I covet! If it hadn't been for the rough seas, the fast response of Tow BoatUS and the comfort level of my wife...I'd have dropped down below. As it turns out, if I had removed the cable or pulled the pin in the pedestal I probably would have had control again. I guess the thing is that, I had ot done anything with the steering sytem so I was not at all familiar with it...I should have known better. I just hope my wife forgives the Viking pretty quickly or she'll be pushing even harder for the Catlina...At least she isn't get out of boating all together! if worse comes to worse a catlina is better than no boat at all!!! LOL You can't beat the speed though...we were hitting 9 knots with the currents with just the head sail before all hell broke loose! lets see a catlina do that! 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