On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Hugo Trippaers <htrippa...@schubergphilis.com> wrote: > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rohityada...@gmail.com [mailto:rohityada...@gmail.com] On Behalf >> Of Rohit Yadav >> Sent: vrijdag 22 februari 2013 12:24 >> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Animesh Chaturvedi as a committer >> >> On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Joe Brockmeier <j...@zonker.net> wrote: >> > On Fri, Feb 22, 2013, at 01:01 AM, Rohit Yadav wrote: >> >> On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 6:29 AM, Alex Huang <alex.hu...@citrix.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> > This was not meant for cloudstack-dev....I'm sure I will get a ton of +1 >> replies but please refrain from replying to this. >> >> >> >> While this is the first time a proposal was made public, I had to >> >> rant, the toughest email I had to write, but anyway you should ignore >> >> it: >> >> >> >> Should we have transparency on committer proposals and votes? It's >> > >> > No. When we have a discussion/vote about a committer, we should be >> > able to have a frank conversation about that person's contributions - >> > which may or may not be something an individual would want aired in a >> > public forum, and a public forum is not the best way to get honest >> > feedback about an individual. >> > >> > I don't have any problem publicly saying "I don't think your idea / >> > patch is good" but that's a far cry from saying - on a publicly >> > archived list, mind you - "Bob Q. Contributor is not someone I'd like >> > to give commit access to." >> >> There were no personal remarks about anybody's abilities or skills in my >> email so I don't see why you're saying this, neither I'm blaming the PPMC or >> questioning the proposal. >> In fact I'm saying that there are folks whose contributions and skills may >> have >> been overlooked. >> >> > >> >> because I feel we're not proposing people based on pure merits. >> > >> > I think you're mistaking merits for metrics below. That's not to say >> > no one below has merit, but how many messages are sent to the mailing >> > list or the number of patches are not, strictly speaking, the only >> > things that we should look at. >> > >> > - Does a person submit a good patch that should have gone in >> > immediately, or does it require guidance before being put in? >> > - Are they following good community practices? >> > - Have they been doing this consistently over time? >> > >> >> So, these things may not be measurable, ppmc should be in a better position >> to do that. >> Okay so how does a non-ppmc member in this project propose for a >> committer? > > Send a mail to cloudstack-priv...@incubator.apache.org with whom you like to > nominate and why. Or catch one of us on IRC, meetups or any other way like > joe put in his email below. The main thing > is that we want to discuss those > things in private to ensure privacy for the individuals concerned. The > internet has no delete button ;-)
Thanks Hugo will do. Jzb, I think ASF allows people to discuss things as an individual if that has to mean ask questions, or raise concerns. IMHO I spoke for the community, asking PPMC about what they would do for the community folks who're putting their efforts for months but may have been overlooked. And if you think I was "holding other folks feet to the fire", sure so does that mean I cannot ask questions or raise concerns, doubts? I'm sorry about that then, I was honest and opinions, words were mine alone. Regards. PS. I should just become a codemonkey > > >> >> Regards. >> >> >> example, my git rank (git shortlog -sn) and ML participating tells me >> >> the following folks were participating since many months, they have >> >> good commits and their patches only fall behind due to their review >> >> not getting love on time: >> >> 21 Sateesh Chodapuneedi >> >> 20 Devdeep Singh >> >> 16 Sanjay Tripathi >> >> 14 James Martin >> >> 12 Gavin Lee >> > >> > Actually, Gavin is already a committer. >> > >> > Anyway - if you feel someone is deserving of committer status, and >> > you're not on the PPMC, I'd encourage you to speak up (privately) to >> > someone on the PPMC if you feel they're being overlooked. But >> > discussing specific individuals on -dev is unfair to those people and >> > puts the PPMC in a bad position. >> > >> > Best, >> > >> > jzb >> > -- >> > Joe Brockmeier >> > j...@zonker.net >> > Twitter: @jzb >> > http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
