On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Sebastien Goasguen <run...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Feb 13, 2013, at 4:43 PM, David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us> wrote: > >> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Chip Childers >> <chip.child...@sungard.com> wrote: >>> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 09:59:39AM -0500, David Nalley wrote: >>>> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Chip Childers >>>> <chip.child...@sungard.com> wrote: >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> I started a conversation within cloudstack-private@i.a.o about the >>>>> prospect of graduation from the incubator, and have received positive >>>>> reactions from everyone that replied. >>>>> >>>>> I wanted to kick off the discussion here on the public list, to see if >>>>> anyone has any concerns or objections to us starting down the path of >>>>> trying to graduate? >>>>> >>>>> My general impression is that we have come a long way as a community >>>>> since CloudStack entered the incubator. While there are still rough edges >>>>> for us to work through over time, we are dealing with our problems quite >>>>> well as a community. The simple reason that I believe we are in a >>>>> position to ask to graduate, is that we are no longer getting value from >>>>> the incubation process! That's a good thing, because it means that we >>>>> have managed to learn quite a bit about the ASF processes, rules, >>>>> methods and preferences. >>>>> >>>>> Thoughts, comments, discussion? > > Are you thinking to do this prior to 4.2 release ? > > With my individual hat on, I think it might be best to put up a strong 4.2 > release and then vote for graduation. It would strengthen our case. >
So I had similar thoughts originally and actually meant 4.2. Here is what changed my mind: I don't see us actively receiving any benefit from continuing in incubation. We are far from perfect, but the project seems to be policing itself. so I am not seeing a huge incentive to staying. There are also some downsides to remaining in incubation. First there's the label 'incubation' that follows almost everything we do, and is potentially off-putting to potential community members. Second as a community there are a number of things we can't do for ourselves, and thus have to ask permission or for help - this includes votes on releases, creating new user accounts, etc. I think of this as the overhead of being in the incubator. And finally, while this isn't really a big deal from our perspective, we have 8 mentors, and their continued focus on us means more of their time they can't focus on other incubating projects. And given our -dev list volume, I imagine us to be a handful to keep up with. --David
