On Feb 13, 2013, at 4:43 PM, David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us> wrote: > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Chip Childers > <chip.child...@sungard.com> wrote: >> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 09:59:39AM -0500, David Nalley wrote: >>> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Chip Childers >>> <chip.child...@sungard.com> wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I started a conversation within cloudstack-private@i.a.o about the >>>> prospect of graduation from the incubator, and have received positive >>>> reactions from everyone that replied. >>>> >>>> I wanted to kick off the discussion here on the public list, to see if >>>> anyone has any concerns or objections to us starting down the path of >>>> trying to graduate? >>>> >>>> My general impression is that we have come a long way as a community >>>> since CloudStack entered the incubator. While there are still rough edges >>>> for us to work through over time, we are dealing with our problems quite >>>> well as a community. The simple reason that I believe we are in a >>>> position to ask to graduate, is that we are no longer getting value from >>>> the incubation process! That's a good thing, because it means that we >>>> have managed to learn quite a bit about the ASF processes, rules, >>>> methods and preferences. >>>> >>>> Thoughts, comments, discussion?
Are you thinking to do this prior to 4.2 release ? With my individual hat on, I think it might be best to put up a strong 4.2 release and then vote for graduation. It would strengthen our case. >>>> >>>> >>>> If the community is in general agreement, we have some work to get done: >>>> >>>> We need to go through the podling status file, and ensure that we have >>>> completed everything that needs to be completed: >>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/cloudstack.html >>>> >>>> The CloudStack trademark is currently owned by Citrix. We need to have >>>> that transfered to ASF prior to graduation. David also suggested in the >>>> private list that we probably need to execute the formal ASF name >>>> search, for the purpose of providing the ASF with assurances that there >>>> are no surprise conflicts. >>>> >>>> Once we get the final pre-graduation requirements completed, we need to >>>> go through the process of attempting to graduate. I suggest that folks >>>> take a minute to read through the Incubator's Guide to Successful >>>> Graduation page [1]. >>>> >>>> The first step of the process seems to be to kick off a formal community >>>> vote to propose graduation to the IPMC. If we vote to graduate, then we >>>> have to draft a charter / graduation resolution. This is will be >>>> proposed to the IPMC for their review, and if passed in an IPMC vote we >>>> forward it to the ASF board for their vote during a monthly board >>>> meeting. >>>> >>> >>> So I'd propose that instead of two votes for charter/resolution and >>> whether or not to vote, that we determine the overall community >>> feeling/consensus in this thread, and then vote to graduate with a >>> specific resolution as a single vote. >>> >>> --David >>> >> >> Many other podlings seem to have done it that way, and I'm in agreement >> to that approach. >> >> -chip > > So after mulling this over a cup of coffee - I still like the idea, > but have seen the IPMC suggest changes to resolutions when they come > to that list. I don't want folks to think the resolution voted on is > immutable without a revote. Perhaps we draft the resolution on a > consensus basis. > > --David
