> On Mar 30, 2015, at 7:35 AM, Jony Hudson <jonyepsi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I propose, instead of this discussion, everyone channels their energy into 
> writing an open-source data-science library, or blog post/article promoting 
> Clojure for data science. In their favourite editor, of course!
> 
> 
> Jony



That's a good idea, but I'd also like to say a bit more about the pro/con-emacs 
discussion, which I hope to be constructive.

I think I actually agree with most of the comments both by the emacs critics 
and the emacs proponents in this thread. Even the most intense ones, on both 
sides. But rather than worrying about who is more correct I want to point out 
that it's entirely possible, and would be gloriously beautiful, for an 
emacs-based Clojure environment to be produced that:

- Can be downloaded in a single click and run with one more click to do basic 
Clojure development with no further configuration, on Mac/Windows/Linux.

- Provides reasonably standard GUI elements (familiar to any computer user 
without reading a manual) for triggering core functionality and for discovering 
additional features.

As some have mentioned in this thread, a lot of work has been done on easing 
configuration (by people on this list among others) and there are some 
GUI-based packages out there, but as far as I know there's nothing that comes 
close to meeting both of the bullet points above. I think that most emacs-based 
folks either don't think this is possible or don't see it as a priority, but 
something like this must be possible (and there have been things close to this 
for other Lisps in the past), and  if it became a reality that I would switch 
to it for all of my coding and teaching and I'd evangelize it from the rooftops.

I'm not in a position to do development work on this myself, but I believe 
quite fervently that this would be a fabulous thing for the Clojure community.

I'd be happy to discuss this further off-list and/or beta-test projects aimed 
at these goals.

 -Lee




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