Oh and I'd love to contribute to this too. I didn't see the fork on github. If you're open to contribution let me know since I'd love something better than la clojure. (I wouldn't care if it ended up commercial.) I'm also considering creating some better clojure tools for Intellij, but would prefer not to duplicate efforts.
On Tuesday, August 6, 2013 10:04:27 AM UTC-7, ngieschen wrote: > > I would absolutely pay for something like this. > > On Sunday, July 28, 2013 8:34:19 PM UTC-7, Colin Fleming wrote: >> >> Thanks for the thoughts, Matt - I agree it's a tough market for all the >> reasons you describe. It's unfortunate that companies that pay for an >> Ultimate license would have to pay again for this when the >> JetBrains-developed extra languages (Python, Ruby) come for free. There's >> not much to be done unfortunately except just be better than everyone else >> :-) >> >> >> On 29 July 2013 09:07, Matt Hoffman <ma...@mhoffman.org> wrote: >> >>> I've been watching your fork on Github for a while -- I've been excited >>> to see that someone is actively working on La Clojure. I would pay for an >>> IntelliJ plugin that was significantly better than La Clojure, but I'm also >>> aware that I'd be paying just for my preference of IntelliJ over Eclipse >>> for mixed Java/Clojure development. For pure Clojure development, Emacs >>> would also be a contender. So that would be a really tough market. >>> It would be a tough sell for my company, as well. They pay for IntelliJ >>> Ultimate licenses, and if we told them we wanted to add in $200 more for a >>> Clojure plugin, I'd have to be prepared to re-open the "just use Eclipse" >>> argument. >>> >>> I'd also contribute to a Kickstarter, if you decided to go that route. I >>> don't imagine you could make a living off of it that way, but you might be >>> able to recoup some of your time. A couple of developers in my company >>> have talked about funding a bounty for nrepl integration alone. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 3:20 PM, kovas boguta <kovas....@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> My suggestion: release as open source, and then try a kickstarter to >>>> see if there is interest in extending/continuing the project. >>>> >>>> IDE is a tough business. It has broken many. After all there is a >>>> reason intellij open-sourced the core in the first place. >>>> >>>> Frankly I think there is a bigger market in using clojure to develop >>>> better tools for other languages. If you have a nice intellij wrapper, >>>> then >>>> you have a huge advantage in developing tooling in general. >>>> >>>> On a side note, I would love to see intellij's widget library broken >>>> out in a more stand-alone way, so we can develop sexy clojure apps with >>>> pure jvm technology. Any thoughts on if that is technically doable? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 4:54 AM, Colin Fleming >>>> <colin.ma...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> I was planning to wait a little longer before going public, but since >>>>> it's pretty relevant to the other IntelliJ thread going on at the moment >>>>> I >>>>> thought I'd jump in. For the last couple of months of happy unemployment >>>>> I've been working on a fork of La Clojure which is now about 70% migrated >>>>> to Clojure and significantly improved. It's a lot of work to develop a >>>>> tool >>>>> like this, and one of the options I'm considering is starting a company >>>>> to >>>>> develop it as a commercial product - JetBrains have never maintained >>>>> development of La Clojure very actively. I've been doing a little market >>>>> research but there's really not much data around about whether there are >>>>> enough people working with Clojure to sustain a product like that, and >>>>> also >>>>> the community is currently very focused on open source. >>>>> >>>>> One problem is that the IDE space is already fairly fractured - >>>>> there's Emacs and CCW, Clooj, Sublime Text and the promise of Light Table >>>>> at some point, and of course the current public version of La Clojure. >>>>> But >>>>> there's still not a great option for something that's powerful but easy >>>>> to >>>>> use - CCW is probably the closest thing to this right now. However I >>>>> think >>>>> it's telling that a large fraction of people in the State of Clojure 2012 >>>>> survey still identified development tools as a major pain point. >>>>> >>>>> I think that the IntelliJ platform is a fantastic base to build >>>>> something like this on. Clojure as a language makes it pretty challenging >>>>> to develop a lot of the great functionality that JetBrains are famous >>>>> for, >>>>> but I think there's scope to do a lot of great things. Certainly for >>>>> mixed >>>>> Clojure/Java projects it would be difficult to beat, but even for Clojure >>>>> only projects I can imagine a lot of fantastic functionality built on >>>>> their >>>>> infrastructure. My plan would be to release a standalone IDE and a plugin >>>>> for people using IntelliJ Ultimate for web dev, Ruby/Python or whatever. >>>>> Since it's mostly Clojure now (and I'm migrating what's left as I get to >>>>> it) there's a real possibility of a Clojure plugin/extension API. I >>>>> envision charging PyCharm/RubyMine type prices, say $200 for company >>>>> licenses or $100 for individual developers. >>>>> >>>>> So, I'd love to hear what people think. I'd appreciate it if we could >>>>> stay away from the politics of open source vs proprietary - several >>>>> people >>>>> have told me privately that they'd rather use OSS and that's fine, >>>>> proprietary isn't for everyone. What I'd like to know is if the idea is >>>>> appealing to many people here? >>>>> >>>>> In case it's a concern for anyone, I've discussed this with JetBrains. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for any feedback, >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Colin >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to clo...@googlegroups.com >>>>> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient >>>>> with your first post. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> clojure+u...@googlegroups.com >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to clojure+u...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to clo...@googlegroups.com >>>> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with >>>> your first post. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> clojure+u...@googlegroups.com >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to clojure+u...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to clo...@googlegroups.com >>> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with >>> your first post. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> clojure+u...@googlegroups.com >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to clojure+u...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. 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