I would absolutely pay for something like this. On Sunday, July 28, 2013 8:34:19 PM UTC-7, Colin Fleming wrote: > > Thanks for the thoughts, Matt - I agree it's a tough market for all the > reasons you describe. It's unfortunate that companies that pay for an > Ultimate license would have to pay again for this when the > JetBrains-developed extra languages (Python, Ruby) come for free. There's > not much to be done unfortunately except just be better than everyone else > :-) > > > On 29 July 2013 09:07, Matt Hoffman <ma...@mhoffman.org <javascript:>>wrote: > >> I've been watching your fork on Github for a while -- I've been excited >> to see that someone is actively working on La Clojure. I would pay for an >> IntelliJ plugin that was significantly better than La Clojure, but I'm also >> aware that I'd be paying just for my preference of IntelliJ over Eclipse >> for mixed Java/Clojure development. For pure Clojure development, Emacs >> would also be a contender. So that would be a really tough market. >> It would be a tough sell for my company, as well. They pay for IntelliJ >> Ultimate licenses, and if we told them we wanted to add in $200 more for a >> Clojure plugin, I'd have to be prepared to re-open the "just use Eclipse" >> argument. >> >> I'd also contribute to a Kickstarter, if you decided to go that route. I >> don't imagine you could make a living off of it that way, but you might be >> able to recoup some of your time. A couple of developers in my company >> have talked about funding a bounty for nrepl integration alone. >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 3:20 PM, kovas boguta >> <kovas....@gmail.com<javascript:> >> > wrote: >> >>> My suggestion: release as open source, and then try a kickstarter to see >>> if there is interest in extending/continuing the project. >>> >>> IDE is a tough business. It has broken many. After all there is a reason >>> intellij open-sourced the core in the first place. >>> >>> Frankly I think there is a bigger market in using clojure to develop >>> better tools for other languages. If you have a nice intellij wrapper, then >>> you have a huge advantage in developing tooling in general. >>> >>> On a side note, I would love to see intellij's widget library broken out >>> in a more stand-alone way, so we can develop sexy clojure apps with pure >>> jvm technology. Any thoughts on if that is technically doable? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 4:54 AM, Colin Fleming >>> <colin.ma...@gmail.com<javascript:> >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I was planning to wait a little longer before going public, but since >>>> it's pretty relevant to the other IntelliJ thread going on at the moment I >>>> thought I'd jump in. For the last couple of months of happy unemployment >>>> I've been working on a fork of La Clojure which is now about 70% migrated >>>> to Clojure and significantly improved. It's a lot of work to develop a >>>> tool >>>> like this, and one of the options I'm considering is starting a company to >>>> develop it as a commercial product - JetBrains have never maintained >>>> development of La Clojure very actively. I've been doing a little market >>>> research but there's really not much data around about whether there are >>>> enough people working with Clojure to sustain a product like that, and >>>> also >>>> the community is currently very focused on open source. >>>> >>>> One problem is that the IDE space is already fairly fractured - there's >>>> Emacs and CCW, Clooj, Sublime Text and the promise of Light Table at some >>>> point, and of course the current public version of La Clojure. But there's >>>> still not a great option for something that's powerful but easy to use - >>>> CCW is probably the closest thing to this right now. However I think it's >>>> telling that a large fraction of people in the State of Clojure 2012 >>>> survey >>>> still identified development tools as a major pain point. >>>> >>>> I think that the IntelliJ platform is a fantastic base to build >>>> something like this on. Clojure as a language makes it pretty challenging >>>> to develop a lot of the great functionality that JetBrains are famous for, >>>> but I think there's scope to do a lot of great things. Certainly for mixed >>>> Clojure/Java projects it would be difficult to beat, but even for Clojure >>>> only projects I can imagine a lot of fantastic functionality built on >>>> their >>>> infrastructure. My plan would be to release a standalone IDE and a plugin >>>> for people using IntelliJ Ultimate for web dev, Ruby/Python or whatever. >>>> Since it's mostly Clojure now (and I'm migrating what's left as I get to >>>> it) there's a real possibility of a Clojure plugin/extension API. I >>>> envision charging PyCharm/RubyMine type prices, say $200 for company >>>> licenses or $100 for individual developers. >>>> >>>> So, I'd love to hear what people think. I'd appreciate it if we could >>>> stay away from the politics of open source vs proprietary - several people >>>> have told me privately that they'd rather use OSS and that's fine, >>>> proprietary isn't for everyone. What I'd like to know is if the idea is >>>> appealing to many people here? >>>> >>>> In case it's a concern for anyone, I've discussed this with JetBrains. >>>> >>>> Thanks for any feedback, >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Colin >>>> >>>> -- >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to clo...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> >>>> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with >>>> your first post. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> clojure+u...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to clojure+u...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to clo...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> >>> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with >>> your first post. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> clojure+u...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to clojure+u...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Clojure" group. >> To post to this group, send email to clo...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> >> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with >> your first post. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> clojure+u...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Clojure" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to clojure+u...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > >
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