Thanks for the thoughts, Matt - I agree it's a tough market for all the reasons you describe. It's unfortunate that companies that pay for an Ultimate license would have to pay again for this when the JetBrains-developed extra languages (Python, Ruby) come for free. There's not much to be done unfortunately except just be better than everyone else :-)
On 29 July 2013 09:07, Matt Hoffman <m...@mhoffman.org> wrote: > I've been watching your fork on Github for a while -- I've been excited to > see that someone is actively working on La Clojure. I would pay for an > IntelliJ plugin that was significantly better than La Clojure, but I'm also > aware that I'd be paying just for my preference of IntelliJ over Eclipse > for mixed Java/Clojure development. For pure Clojure development, Emacs > would also be a contender. So that would be a really tough market. > It would be a tough sell for my company, as well. They pay for IntelliJ > Ultimate licenses, and if we told them we wanted to add in $200 more for a > Clojure plugin, I'd have to be prepared to re-open the "just use Eclipse" > argument. > > I'd also contribute to a Kickstarter, if you decided to go that route. I > don't imagine you could make a living off of it that way, but you might be > able to recoup some of your time. A couple of developers in my company > have talked about funding a bounty for nrepl integration alone. > > > > On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 3:20 PM, kovas boguta <kovas.bog...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> My suggestion: release as open source, and then try a kickstarter to see >> if there is interest in extending/continuing the project. >> >> IDE is a tough business. It has broken many. After all there is a reason >> intellij open-sourced the core in the first place. >> >> Frankly I think there is a bigger market in using clojure to develop >> better tools for other languages. If you have a nice intellij wrapper, then >> you have a huge advantage in developing tooling in general. >> >> On a side note, I would love to see intellij's widget library broken out >> in a more stand-alone way, so we can develop sexy clojure apps with pure >> jvm technology. Any thoughts on if that is technically doable? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 4:54 AM, Colin Fleming < >> colin.mailingl...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I was planning to wait a little longer before going public, but since >>> it's pretty relevant to the other IntelliJ thread going on at the moment I >>> thought I'd jump in. For the last couple of months of happy unemployment >>> I've been working on a fork of La Clojure which is now about 70% migrated >>> to Clojure and significantly improved. It's a lot of work to develop a tool >>> like this, and one of the options I'm considering is starting a company to >>> develop it as a commercial product - JetBrains have never maintained >>> development of La Clojure very actively. I've been doing a little market >>> research but there's really not much data around about whether there are >>> enough people working with Clojure to sustain a product like that, and also >>> the community is currently very focused on open source. >>> >>> One problem is that the IDE space is already fairly fractured - there's >>> Emacs and CCW, Clooj, Sublime Text and the promise of Light Table at some >>> point, and of course the current public version of La Clojure. But there's >>> still not a great option for something that's powerful but easy to use - >>> CCW is probably the closest thing to this right now. However I think it's >>> telling that a large fraction of people in the State of Clojure 2012 survey >>> still identified development tools as a major pain point. >>> >>> I think that the IntelliJ platform is a fantastic base to build >>> something like this on. Clojure as a language makes it pretty challenging >>> to develop a lot of the great functionality that JetBrains are famous for, >>> but I think there's scope to do a lot of great things. Certainly for mixed >>> Clojure/Java projects it would be difficult to beat, but even for Clojure >>> only projects I can imagine a lot of fantastic functionality built on their >>> infrastructure. My plan would be to release a standalone IDE and a plugin >>> for people using IntelliJ Ultimate for web dev, Ruby/Python or whatever. >>> Since it's mostly Clojure now (and I'm migrating what's left as I get to >>> it) there's a real possibility of a Clojure plugin/extension API. I >>> envision charging PyCharm/RubyMine type prices, say $200 for company >>> licenses or $100 for individual developers. >>> >>> So, I'd love to hear what people think. I'd appreciate it if we could >>> stay away from the politics of open source vs proprietary - several people >>> have told me privately that they'd rather use OSS and that's fine, >>> proprietary isn't for everyone. What I'd like to know is if the idea is >>> appealing to many people here? >>> >>> In case it's a concern for anyone, I've discussed this with JetBrains. >>> >>> Thanks for any feedback, >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Colin >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com >>> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with >>> your first post. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Clojure" group. >> To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com >> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with >> your first post. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Clojure" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. 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