I agree that the sweet spot for a plugin like this, especially in terms of paying for it, would be existing Java shops who are migrating to Clojure. I think that there are a lot of people who want something powerful and easy to use, though - the question is how many would be willing to pay for that over existing options.
The whole Emacs things is difficult. I really need a demo from someone who really uses Emacs well - I can get by using it (I used it for years, a long time ago) but I'm a long long way from seeing any sort of light about how amazing it is. Failing that I'll just have to get feedback from people about what they'd miss from Emacs. A lot of people have mentioned that it's lighter weight than an IDE, which is true, although IntelliJ is a lot snappier than Eclipse in my experience. Thanks again for all the comments, everyone - keep 'em coming! On 28 July 2013 11:07, Alex Baranosky <alexander.barano...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello Colin F, > > A few of my observations: > > > - I think heavy-duty Intellij Java users are the best market for such > a plugin. The business question then becomes: are there enough such teams > to warrant the work necessary? > > > - The plugin is at odds with a lot of Clojure's OSS community... By > this I mean is that there may be an uphill battle, because OSS is such a > massive part of what makes Clojure's community tick. > > > - Whatever you do, do *not* underestimate how good Emacs is. One must > know thy enemy ;) Seriously though: Emacs is much more than a glorified > text editor, and this is coming from an expert Intellij user. > > > - I do think there is a place for a plugin like this... if you can do > what Emacs does, and also do the things Intellij is renowned for, you'll > have made a pretty great product. > > Alex > > > On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 3:58 PM, coltnz <colin.tay...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi the other Colin. >> >> It's a shame this thread's been somewhat rudely hijacked from its >> purpose. Hopefully others aren't dissuaded from speaking out in support too. >> >> My team will heartily endorse such a project. >> >> Here's why: >> >> - we have a large legacy codebase of Java to embrace and extend with >> Clojure >> - we are expert Intellij users with no desire to retrain even if a >> comparable system existed - which it doesnt. >> - we want code aware development not glorified text editors and believe >> Intellij's platform offers the current best model for a code-aware >> development environment for Clojure. >> >> I'm sure many other companies are similarly placed. >> >> cheers >> Colin. >> >> >> On Saturday, July 27, 2013 11:54:58 PM UTC+12, Colin Fleming wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I was planning to wait a little longer before going public, but since >>> it's pretty relevant to the other IntelliJ thread going on at the moment I >>> thought I'd jump in. For the last couple of months of happy unemployment >>> I've been working on a fork of La Clojure which is now about 70% migrated >>> to Clojure and significantly improved. It's a lot of work to develop a tool >>> like this, and one of the options I'm considering is starting a company to >>> develop it as a commercial product - JetBrains have never maintained >>> development of La Clojure very actively. I've been doing a little market >>> research but there's really not much data around about whether there are >>> enough people working with Clojure to sustain a product like that, and also >>> the community is currently very focused on open source. >>> >>> One problem is that the IDE space is already fairly fractured - there's >>> Emacs and CCW, Clooj, Sublime Text and the promise of Light Table at some >>> point, and of course the current public version of La Clojure. But there's >>> still not a great option for something that's powerful but easy to use - >>> CCW is probably the closest thing to this right now. However I think it's >>> telling that a large fraction of people in the State of Clojure 2012 survey >>> still identified development tools as a major pain point. >>> >>> I think that the IntelliJ platform is a fantastic base to build >>> something like this on. Clojure as a language makes it pretty challenging >>> to develop a lot of the great functionality that JetBrains are famous for, >>> but I think there's scope to do a lot of great things. Certainly for mixed >>> Clojure/Java projects it would be difficult to beat, but even for Clojure >>> only projects I can imagine a lot of fantastic functionality built on their >>> infrastructure. My plan would be to release a standalone IDE and a plugin >>> for people using IntelliJ Ultimate for web dev, Ruby/Python or whatever. >>> Since it's mostly Clojure now (and I'm migrating what's left as I get to >>> it) there's a real possibility of a Clojure plugin/extension API. I >>> envision charging PyCharm/RubyMine type prices, say $200 for company >>> licenses or $100 for individual developers. >>> >>> So, I'd love to hear what people think. I'd appreciate it if we could >>> stay away from the politics of open source vs proprietary - several people >>> have told me privately that they'd rather use OSS and that's fine, >>> proprietary isn't for everyone. What I'd like to know is if the idea is >>> appealing to many people here? >>> >>> In case it's a concern for anyone, I've discussed this with JetBrains. >>> >>> Thanks for any feedback, >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Colin >>> >> -- >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Clojure" group. >> To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com >> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with >> your first post. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Clojure" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. 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