Korny,

I think there were multiple posts from me on that day.
This is the one: 
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/clojure/fWOZ9AJzBtU/djhcj4nYVxgJ

Cheers!
Greg

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On Jul 28, 2013, at 1:28 AM, Korny Sietsma <ko...@sietsma.com> wrote:

> >* jump-to-symbol-definition
> >     - see my post on ST2 in the "is intellij idea a >good idea" thread 
> > dated July 25th.
> 
> I checked that post and couldn't see anything about jump to symbol - I'm 
> mobile though so may have missed something. Can ST2 or 3 do this?
> 
> - Korny 
> On 28 Jul 2013 04:45, "Greg" <g...@kinostudios.com> wrote:
> Steven:
> 
> ST2 has the following features that you wanted:
> 
> * paredit or better
>       - https://github.com/odyssomay/paredit
> * keyboard shortcuts that dont kill my wrists/pinkies/fingers
>       - you can make whatever shortcuts you want
> * jump-to-symbol-definition
>       - see my post on ST2 in the "is intellij idea a good idea" thread dated 
> July 25th.
> * jump-to-file
>       - the built-in "goto anything" works for that, and there are 
> file-specific plugins too
> * tabs (a la macvim)
>       - not sure what you mean, but there a plugin called "Lispindent" that 
> works great
> * splits (a la emacs)
>       - not sure what you mean, but there's a "Split Into Lines" command
> * magit or better (might be willing to ignore this omission though)
>       - Use these 3 plugins together: GitGutter, Side Bar Git, and SublimeGit
> * not-super-bloated UI
>       - ST fits this definition perfectly
> * themeable (dont care if it has a good theme, i can make one if need be, i 
> just need it to be themeable)
>       - ST is themeable (see my post in the other thread on July 25th)
> * something like nrepl.el
>       - ST has SublimeREPL, which has a fork that works with nREPL. Link in 
> the other thread.
> 
> So.... looks like you're pretty much covered by ST already. :-)
> 
> Cheers,
> Greg
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> On Jul 27, 2013, at 11:57 AM, Steven Degutis <sbdegu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I would be willing to pay /really/ good money for an editor that has a few 
>> features:
>> 
>> * paredit or better
>> * proper syntax highlighting of clojure (emacs rocks at this, ST2 sucks at 
>> it)
>> * ST2-quality fuzzy matching at every completionable prompt (emacs's 
>> ido-mode is alright but ST2's is way better)
>> * keyboard shortcuts that dont kill my wrists/pinkies/fingers
>> * jump-to-symbol-definition
>> * jump-to-file
>> * tabs (a la macvim)
>> * splits (a la emacs)
>> * magit or better (might be willing to ignore this omission though)
>> * not-super-bloated UI
>> * themeable (dont care if it has a good theme, i can make one if need be, i 
>> just need it to be themeable)
>> * something like nrepl.el
>> 
>> (where ST2 means Sublime Text 2)
>> 
>> That's *all* I care about, nothing else matters to me. But no editor can get 
>> *all* these things right.
>> 
>> -Steven
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 6:54 AM, Colin Fleming <colin.mailingl...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I was planning to wait a little longer before going public, but since it's 
>> pretty relevant to the other IntelliJ thread going on at the moment I 
>> thought I'd jump in. For the last couple of months of happy unemployment 
>> I've been working on a fork of La Clojure which is now about 70% migrated to 
>> Clojure and significantly improved. It's a lot of work to develop a tool 
>> like this, and one of the options I'm considering is starting a company to 
>> develop it as a commercial product - JetBrains have never maintained 
>> development of La Clojure very actively. I've been doing a little market 
>> research but there's really not much data around about whether there are 
>> enough people working with Clojure to sustain a product like that, and also 
>> the community is currently very focused on open source.
>> 
>> One problem is that the IDE space is already fairly fractured - there's 
>> Emacs and CCW, Clooj, Sublime Text and the promise of Light Table at some 
>> point, and of course the current public version of La Clojure. But there's 
>> still not a great option for something that's powerful but easy to use - CCW 
>> is probably the closest thing to this right now. However I think it's 
>> telling that a large fraction of people in the State of Clojure 2012 survey 
>> still identified development tools as a major pain point.
>> 
>> I think that the IntelliJ platform is a fantastic base to build something 
>> like this on. Clojure as a language makes it pretty challenging to develop a 
>> lot of the great functionality that JetBrains are famous for, but I think 
>> there's scope to do a lot of great things. Certainly for mixed Clojure/Java 
>> projects it would be difficult to beat, but even for Clojure only projects I 
>> can imagine a lot of fantastic functionality built on their infrastructure. 
>> My plan would be to release a standalone IDE and a plugin for people using 
>> IntelliJ Ultimate for web dev, Ruby/Python or whatever. Since it's mostly 
>> Clojure now (and I'm migrating what's left as I get to it) there's a real 
>> possibility of a Clojure plugin/extension API. I envision charging 
>> PyCharm/RubyMine type prices, say $200 for company licenses or $100 for 
>> individual developers.
>> 
>> So, I'd love to hear what people think. I'd appreciate it if we could stay 
>> away from the politics of open source vs proprietary - several people have 
>> told me privately that they'd rather use OSS and that's fine, proprietary 
>> isn't for everyone. What I'd like to know is if the idea is appealing to 
>> many people here?
>> 
>> In case it's a concern for anyone, I've discussed this with JetBrains.
>> 
>> Thanks for any feedback,
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Colin
>> 
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