Sounds like that's only a partial list.
It's not a long list. And each item is implemented in at least one
available editor. So I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for a single
editor that does them all. And I'd pay good money for it. That's all I'm
saying this whole time.
Btw, to answer some of your questions:
* by fuzzy matching at every prompt, I don't just mean code-completions, I
mean filenames and command names and every prompt that has some kind of
autocompletion
* by jump-to-file I meant that I can type in a path within my project and
jump to that file
* by tabs I mean a sane tab-bar
* by splits I mean how vim and emacs can split panes within a single tab or
window
-Steven
On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Laurent PETIT <laurent.pe...@gmail.com>wrote:
> I can't resist, it's too tempting, so ;-) :
>
> 2013/7/27 Steven Degutis <sbdegu...@gmail.com>:
> > I would be willing to pay /really/ good money for an editor that has a
> few
> > features:
> >
> > * paredit or better
>
> Check. Counterclockwise has a lot of paredit features. In the beta
> version there are even slurp/barf provided thanks to a contribution by
> Tom Hickey.
>
> > * proper syntax highlighting of clojure (emacs rocks at this, ST2 sucks
> at
> > it)
>
> Check. With Counterclockwise you can highlight a lot of things. It's
> based on the code's parse tree, so even things like #_(nested
> [commented stuff]) are correctly marked as comments as a whole.
>
> > * ST2-quality fuzzy matching at every completionable prompt (emacs's
> > ido-mode is alright but ST2's is way better)
>
> Check. okay cheating a little bit: it's "check" for what I see the
> most important feature = code completion. Type cljtst and you get
> clojure.test as the first proposal, for instance.
>
> > * keyboard shortcuts that dont kill my wrists/pinkies/fingers
>
> Check. For instance I only picked the good things about paredit.el,
> and especially not the default emacs bindings. For instance, I've
> bound "wrap-around" to the "(" (left paren) key for wrapping the
> selection with parens, "[" for wrapping the selection with square
> brackets, etc. Another example: barf forward really meaning "put this
> stuff to the right of the form's right paren, you launch it via Ctrl+)
> then right arrow.
>
> > * jump-to-symbol-definition
>
> Check. For Clojure files, be they in your project source folders, or
> in your project jar dependencies. Not yet for java files. Ah, and it's
> using repl reflection, so only works for code already loaded (pretty
> much what emacs does, I guess?)
>
> > * jump-to-file
>
> What does that mean? Maybe it's just a special case of the above? If
> so, then check. If not so, then there's a Ctrl+Shift+R command to
> quickly open any Resource (aka file) in Eclipse.
>
> > * tabs (a la macvim)
>
> What do you mean? In Counterclockwise, tab is bound to the "reindent
> line" command. And in an experimental branch that will be delivere
> during September, there's support for automatically make the
> subsequent lines "move", following the column's delta imposed by the
> reindent.
> Note that in this experimental branch, "column shifting" also happens
> anytime you type. So whenever you decide to add e.g. spaces in front
> of a form, all the children of the form will be shifted also, as well
> as the following siblings of the form (and the siblings of the parent
> form, if its tail has been shifted also, etc.)
>
> > * splits (a la emacs)
>
> What's that ? If it's paredit's split form / join form, then Check. If
> not, then I'd be happy to learn about this feature, and steal it some
> day if it's not already supported.
>
> > * magit or better (might be willing to ignore this omission though)
>
> Eclipse has EGit, which is based on JGit, a pure java implementation
> of Git. Not a great fan of it (I use it mainly for the decorations it
> places on files to show those who are modified - I generally prefer
> gitk + git gui which are available for any platform I'm working at).
> The standalone version of Counterclockwise comes with EGit pre-packaged.
>
> > * not-super-bloated UI
>
> Okay, we can agree that Eclipse's UI is bloated. But note that it's
> not *that* difficult to ignore it. You can open editors without any
> other view open, and call views via shortcut on demand. But agree that
> this is highly perfectible, and I hope the Eclipse Team will
> understand this some day, and make it more lightweight.
>
> > * themeable (dont care if it has a good theme, i can make one if need
> be, i
> > just need it to be themeable)
>
> Check. There's a super cool plugin named "Eclipse Color Theme" which
> provides solarized-like, etc., etc. themes for the major editors,
> including Clojure.
>
> > * something like nrepl.el
>
> Check. Counterclockwise was the first to integrate an nrepl client,
> thanks to Chas Emerick contributions.
>
> As for whether the checks are real checks or not, YMMV, as is the case
> in agile projects wrt the definition of "Done" ;-)
> >
> > (where ST2 means Sublime Text 2)
> >
> > That's *all* I care about, nothing else matters to me. But no editor can
> get
> > *all* these things right.
> >
> > -Steven
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 6:54 AM, Colin Fleming <
> colin.mailingl...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I was planning to wait a little longer before going public, but since
> it's
> >> pretty relevant to the other IntelliJ thread going on at the moment I
> >> thought I'd jump in. For the last couple of months of happy unemployment
> >> I've been working on a fork of La Clojure which is now about 70%
> migrated to
> >> Clojure and significantly improved. It's a lot of work to develop a tool
> >> like this, and one of the options I'm considering is starting a company
> to
> >> develop it as a commercial product - JetBrains have never maintained
> >> development of La Clojure very actively. I've been doing a little market
> >> research but there's really not much data around about whether there are
> >> enough people working with Clojure to sustain a product like that, and
> also
> >> the community is currently very focused on open source.
> >>
> >> One problem is that the IDE space is already fairly fractured - there's
> >> Emacs and CCW, Clooj, Sublime Text and the promise of Light Table at
> some
> >> point, and of course the current public version of La Clojure. But
> there's
> >> still not a great option for something that's powerful but easy to use
> - CCW
> >> is probably the closest thing to this right now. However I think it's
> >> telling that a large fraction of people in the State of Clojure 2012
> survey
> >> still identified development tools as a major pain point.
> >>
> >> I think that the IntelliJ platform is a fantastic base to build
> something
> >> like this on. Clojure as a language makes it pretty challenging to
> develop a
> >> lot of the great functionality that JetBrains are famous for, but I
> think
> >> there's scope to do a lot of great things. Certainly for mixed
> Clojure/Java
> >> projects it would be difficult to beat, but even for Clojure only
> projects I
> >> can imagine a lot of fantastic functionality built on their
> infrastructure.
> >> My plan would be to release a standalone IDE and a plugin for people
> using
> >> IntelliJ Ultimate for web dev, Ruby/Python or whatever. Since it's
> mostly
> >> Clojure now (and I'm migrating what's left as I get to it) there's a
> real
> >> possibility of a Clojure plugin/extension API. I envision charging
> >> PyCharm/RubyMine type prices, say $200 for company licenses or $100 for
> >> individual developers.
> >>
> >> So, I'd love to hear what people think. I'd appreciate it if we could
> stay
> >> away from the politics of open source vs proprietary - several people
> have
> >> told me privately that they'd rather use OSS and that's fine,
> proprietary
> >> isn't for everyone. What I'd like to know is if the idea is appealing to
> >> many people here?
> >>
> >> In case it's a concern for anyone, I've discussed this with JetBrains.
> >>
> >> Thanks for any feedback,
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Colin
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