Colin: I think ST has a good business model via its constant nags. $70 USD to get it to STFU and support the developer seems fair, while allowing those who can't afford it to use it and tolerate the nags.
If you don't give people a way to use your IDE for free then most people won't use it because there are plenty of free or nearly-free alternatives out there that are already great (like Sublime). Having a large user-base will help you in the long run, because without on your IDE won't have a community behind it to support word-of-mouth and things like plugins, etc. That said, I'd love an improved version of La Clojure for IntelliJ! Here's a wish list if you decide to go for it: - Perfect support for Leiningen, including support for all the crazy customizations and sub-projects. - Bug-free or fewer bugs. The current Leiningen plugin has some bugs where it prevents you from adding new jar files to the module (sometimes, not always). - Fantastic support for jumping to the definition of any symbol in your leiningen project, whether it's Java source or Clojure source. - Support for ClojureScript. - Auto-complete of the Xcode variety, where for the selected function/method in the drop down list you are shown all the documentation for it. And, assuming you implemented all of the above, then it'd also be nice to auto-import namespaces (similar to how IntelliJ already does it for Java source). Cheers! Greg -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA. On Jul 27, 2013, at 7:54 AM, Colin Fleming <colin.mailingl...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > I was planning to wait a little longer before going public, but since it's > pretty relevant to the other IntelliJ thread going on at the moment I thought > I'd jump in. For the last couple of months of happy unemployment I've been > working on a fork of La Clojure which is now about 70% migrated to Clojure > and significantly improved. It's a lot of work to develop a tool like this, > and one of the options I'm considering is starting a company to develop it as > a commercial product - JetBrains have never maintained development of La > Clojure very actively. I've been doing a little market research but there's > really not much data around about whether there are enough people working > with Clojure to sustain a product like that, and also the community is > currently very focused on open source. > > One problem is that the IDE space is already fairly fractured - there's Emacs > and CCW, Clooj, Sublime Text and the promise of Light Table at some point, > and of course the current public version of La Clojure. But there's still not > a great option for something that's powerful but easy to use - CCW is > probably the closest thing to this right now. However I think it's telling > that a large fraction of people in the State of Clojure 2012 survey still > identified development tools as a major pain point. > > I think that the IntelliJ platform is a fantastic base to build something > like this on. Clojure as a language makes it pretty challenging to develop a > lot of the great functionality that JetBrains are famous for, but I think > there's scope to do a lot of great things. Certainly for mixed Clojure/Java > projects it would be difficult to beat, but even for Clojure only projects I > can imagine a lot of fantastic functionality built on their infrastructure. > My plan would be to release a standalone IDE and a plugin for people using > IntelliJ Ultimate for web dev, Ruby/Python or whatever. Since it's mostly > Clojure now (and I'm migrating what's left as I get to it) there's a real > possibility of a Clojure plugin/extension API. I envision charging > PyCharm/RubyMine type prices, say $200 for company licenses or $100 for > individual developers. > > So, I'd love to hear what people think. I'd appreciate it if we could stay > away from the politics of open source vs proprietary - several people have > told me privately that they'd rather use OSS and that's fine, proprietary > isn't for everyone. What I'd like to know is if the idea is appealing to many > people here? > > In case it's a concern for anyone, I've discussed this with JetBrains. > > Thanks for any feedback, > > Cheers, > Colin > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your > first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > >
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