Maybe we need an simpler alternative to the ns macro without all these complex options :)
With a short name like ns-stop-banging-your-head-on-the-wall :) Or the reverse, ns-make-your-life-more-chaotic... :) Luc P. > It's not as if *some* (cough cough) parts of Clojure were'nt > opinionated, right? :-) > > Having in the (ns) macro the possibility to use :use, to use :require, > to use :refer-clojure, to use :require-macros can be daunting, and not > only for newcomers! > > And not to mention that the vast majority of the docstring for ns > talks about :gen-class defaults ! > > And all this choice for only historical reasons is not opinionated > enough for my taste! > > I'd be willing too, to deprecate a couple things: > > :use :all in favor of :require :all > :use :only in favor of :require :only > > Let's be opinionated! :-D > > I think that's the only subset that has a chance to pass without > having to gather a commitee at the next Clojure-conj ;-) > > > 2013/7/23 Softaddicts <lprefonta...@softaddicts.ca>: > > None of what has been said so far makes me believe that our usage of > > "use" is "bad". It's like a rope, you can use it for useful purposes or you > > can > > hang yourself. You use it at your own taste and will. > > > > Lack of discipline does not constitute for me a reason to trash a feature > > as scarce > > as his usefulness seems to be. > > > > :refer :all can be used as badly as :use. > > > > I am not convinced that removing a facade and leaving the feature available > > through a backdoor makes life better for anyone. :use is easily searchable > > and > > quite obvious. Not sure about spotting :refer :all in 15 name space require > > clauses. > > > > You will simply end up say "do not use refer all" instead > > of warning against using use. > > > > Gee, What a lot of "use"s in this thread :) > > > > Luc P. > > > >> One of the main issues I have faced with :use is, understanding a > >> non-trivial codebase becomes very difficult and almost always requires > >> Emacs Meta-dot. > >> > >> I'd vote for deprecating :use. > >> > >> Shantanu > >> > >> -- > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> Groups "Clojure" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > >> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > >> your first post. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > >> For more options, visit this group at > >> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > >> --- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >> "Clojure" group. > >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > >> email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > >> > >> > >> > > -- > > Softaddicts<lprefonta...@softaddicts.ca> sent by ibisMail from my ipad! > > > > -- > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "Clojure" group. > > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > > your first post. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > > --- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Clojure" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your > first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- Softaddicts<lprefonta...@softaddicts.ca> sent by ibisMail from my ipad! -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. 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