Build tool here means a way to manage dependencies.... We have a product here
with
70 external dependencies, not convinced I would like to manage these by hand.
Btwy, we AOT our code before deployment for the following reasons
a) avoid shipping source code at a remote site
b) make sure all dependencies are met before discovering they are missing
after deployment in prod which is a shame for a product promoting 24x7
availability
c) we still have a bit of java code around and need to make sure that
the Clojure and Java code stick together. They callback each other.
I think I stated enough significant reasons.
I do agree that for simple projects with enough test coverage
the above are not significant reasons.
As for the need of lein or equivalent, can you state then why there exist
python centric build tools if these are not "necessary" ?
I found more than an dozen of these just doing a quick google search.
Just curious to know why all these people spent time working on these if
they are not really necessary :))))
Luc
> >
> > No build tool = pain in the .... In large projects.
> >
> >
> Why would you need a build tool for a language that isn't compiled?
> Remember, Python != Java...there's no "compiler" in Python. More correctly
> there is a bytecode compiler, but it's not really worth talking about. With
> the proper hooks in Python (these exist), interop between clojure and
> python is extremely tight. They both share the same idea of namespaces,
> functions, etc. For instance, after installing clojure-py you can do this
> from the python repl:
>
>
> >>> from clojure.core import *
> >>> cons(1, None)
> <clojure.lang.persistentlist.PersistentList object at 0x2a19910 (1)>
> >>> count(cons(1, None))
> 1
> >>> remove(lambda x: x > 3, [1, 2, 3, 4, 5])
> [1 2 3]
> >>> cons
> #'clojure.core/cons
>
> Just look at the simplicity here. In clojure-py clojure functions are
> python functions (and vice-versa), the namespaces are the same, etc. The
> interop story in clojure-py is better than it is on any other platform.
>
>
> So all that to say, I'm just not convinced that a build system is needed in
> clojure-py since the interop is so much better.
>
> Timothy
>
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