For me, unlearning 15 years of OO and Java/j2ee makes a trifle thing like a new environment a walk in the park :)
My semi-serious point is that as a beginner the question being answered is more like "what is it all about" and "how can I try these samples/examples" rather than "how do I do 'proper' enterprise development with this". The best answer for the former isn't necessarily the best answer for the later. Getting started should be the smallest set of steps possible; the REPL. There is no "beginner" solution involving an IDE because they are all full of their own complexity. Clooj seems the simplest but you still need to create projects which is one step too far for getting started Sent from my iPad On 3 Sep 2011, at 19:49, Laurent PETIT <laurent.pe...@gmail.com> wrote: Sean, I agree with you, of course 2011/9/3 Sean Corfield <seancorfi...@gmail.com> > On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Kevin Downey <redc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I spent a lot of time on a windows netbook writing solutions to euler > > project problems notepad++ and just pasting the functions into a repl > > running in a console. It worked great. > > Yup, and that's just fine _for you_ but you are not the target > demographic being discussed :) For folks comfortable with a command > line and a simple text editor, the REPL is a very reasonable "first > step". I come from a Unix background in the 80's and, like you, I'm > perfectly happy with a REPL and vim - but these days I live in Eclipse > so, for me, CCW is the best choice (with a live REPL open in Eclipse > all the time). > > I guess the question is: how serious are we about catering to the > general developer at large? My experience over the years, dealing with > a lot of Windows developers, is what makes me push back on this. I've > seen a very large number of experienced developers on Windows who > don't know how to do anything on the command line - if it doesn't have > a GUI, they won't touch it. > > So, do we want to help those developers learn Clojure? > > If our consensus answer as a community is "no", that's fine but I just > want us to be clear about that. The Scala community get flak for a > widely perceived attitude that says "if you're too dumb to understand > the type system, go away and stop bothering us". I hear from a lot of > Clojure n00bs who find the focus on the command line (and the focus on > Emacs!) to be very off-putting. I'd rather we didn't alienate those > folks but I don't know how the Clojure community as a whole feels > about that? > -- > Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN > An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ > World Singles, LLC. -- http://worldsingles.com/ > Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://www.getrailo.com/ > > "Perfection is the enemy of the good." > -- Gustave Flaubert, French realist novelist (1821-1880) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
