The idea that the way to get started is with a fancy editor and a
fancy ide is just crazy. The way to get started with Clojure is: write
functions, and run them, and be happy. None of that requires any of
the mandated complications that come from sophisticated editing
environments. Now once you are hooked writing clojure you may want a
sophisticated environment and it is great to give people options and
help setting that all up.
I spent a lot of time on a windows netbook writing solutions to euler
project problems notepad++ and just pasting the functions into a repl
running in a console. It worked great.
I think a great structure for the "Getting Started" page would be
something like:
1. Starting a Basic repl
- java -jar clojure.jar
- maybe something about jline or rlwrap (it would be great if we
could get something like jline into the default repl)
2. Fun stuff to do with the basic repl
- some swing stuff
- copy and pastable code snippets
- some parallel stuff with futures or pmap or something
- something with the stm
- agents are cool, right?
- links to 4clojure and project euler
3. Where to go from here
- fancy editing setups with the editor of your choice
On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 10:18 PM, Sean Corfield <seancorfi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 5:27 PM, jonathan.watmo...@gmail.com
> <jonathan.watmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 1. Download clojure and unzip
>> 2. Move to the folder and type 'java -cp clojure.jar clojure.main' in
>> a terminal
>
> Because this is exactly what's wrong with the current getting started
> process. It's not n00b-friendly, esp. to people coming in from outside
> the Java space.
>
>> There's a huge set of advantages to starting in a terminal:
>
> If you're not a Windows user?
>
> I'm not a Windows user. I've been a Unix developer for many decades,
> but I deal with a lot of Windows developers and expecting them to do
> everything on the command line is a complete non-starter.
>
>> 2. You can easily add jars.
>
> This means nothing to people coming from outside the Java world.
>
>> 3. You can start multiple terminal windows to try different things.
>
> Not a good approach for Windows users.
>
>> 4. You can use your preferred editors
>
> This is a valid comment. If you already have a preferred editor, we
> should guide you to how to do Clojure development with that editor. I
> think it's interesting that a lot of Clojurians use Emacs but outside
> of the Clojure community I don't know _anyone_ who uses Emacs. It's
> probably a good tweak to Nick's page to add a rider that if you have a
> preferred editor, go read _this_ page......
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