Ok... Fair enough. Most of my comment related to Spring, not to
Grails.

Grails has other issues which I won't get into here.

I have nothing but respect for Rails, and I look forward to the day
when Clojure has a comparable system.

On Nov 2, 2:32 pm, Wilson MacGyver <wmacgy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Luke VanderHart
>
> <luke.vanderh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > fanvie, two comments:
> > 2. You don't need 99% of the special crap that Spring/Grails gives
> > you. Clojure's abstractions are smaller, yes, but the're just as
> > powerful, and give you more control, in a more standardized way, then
> > Spring does.
>
> I'll take exception to this comment. I think calling what grails as a 
> framework
> provide you as "special crap", is at best, a disservice to grails as well as
> other web framework.
>
> At the end of the day, people want to deliver a solution for a problem they 
> are
> working on. Not focusing on "oh look, shiny technology and abstractions"
>
> There is value in being able to define a domain object, and right off the bat
> have ORM taken care of for you, tables created, controllers setup
> with CRUD/webservice/scafold.
>
> and then grails war to produce a complete single war file to deploy to any
> java application server.
>
> Not everyone "needs" it, but that doesn't make it crap.
>
> ---
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