On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Antony Blakey <antony.bla...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 31/05/2010, at 10:44 AM, Marc Spitzer wrote: > >> I do agree with you for 'a' native wrapper. What is your opinion for >> all native wrappers? The thing is that each platform that requires >> native code is a source of tech support requests. Now let me go with >> the things I have at work: >> 1: redhat 64 and 32 bit, various flavors >> 2: solaris x86 and sparc various flavors >> 3: aix various flavors >> 4: mac os various flavors including powerpc >> 5: windows >> 6 other linuxes > > I care about Mac and Windows primarily, and building software that will sell > (not dev tools) requires good native look and feel.
I actually primarily do not care about mac or windows, personally or professionally. Also keep in mind that one of the selling points of clojure is that it runs where *Java* runs not mac and windows, I would think that in my mind anyway, be a strong contributing point. Now to be honest I am responsible for Macs at work but hopefully less of them as time goes by. > >> also lets not forget about LD_LIBRARY_PATH issues, > > No Mac or Windows user would encounter these. Have you ever heard of DLL HELL? It is a special case of library path issues, they exist every where you have shared libs/DLLS being loaded. And as a sysadmin I have had LD issues with OSX. > >> incomparable >> installed libs, the need to go off the reservation to get something >> working. Instead of yum working on my redhat boxes I need to compile >> a specific version of something *AND* make sure this app finds it but >> that the other apps do not. > > And this is just one reason Linux on the desktop is a million miles from Mac > and Windows. your right we should all be using pcbsd much better, http://pcbsd.org/ > >> well java is not good enough if you want a native look, you need C/C++ >> and binding that java uses. And why should Luke be a martyr and pay >> the price in his personal time/life for something that should be fun. > > a) SWT is not martydom, and is a lot better than Swing for a native L&F > b) Luke asked for opinions. > >> Also please keep in mind that "Better" is a good target and generally >> much more achievable then superlative. Shipped is also a wonderful >> thing. Better and shipped are really cool. And if you keep shipping >> better thing you get to superlative. > > Not if your toolkit (Swing) places an upper bound on the quality of your app. native integration is not quality, quality is quality native integration is look and feel. marc -- Freedom is nothing but a chance to be better. --Albert Camus The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money. --Margaret Thatcher -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
