On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 8:23 PM, Antony Blakey <antony.bla...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 31/05/2010, at 9:44 AM, Marc Spitzer wrote: > >> 2: it is good enough > > IMO This is the entire point. Swing is not good enough if you want to build > something with native integration and correct look and feel. Everything else > comes down to whether developers are prepared to pay the price for producing > something great. And anyway is 'good enough' what we should be aiming for. > How about going for something superlative rather than something mediocre. > > Bundling SWT into a native wrapper isn't a big deal.
I do agree with you for 'a' native wrapper. What is your opinion for all native wrappers? The thing is that each platform that requires native code is a source of tech support requests. Now let me go with the things I have at work: 1: redhat 64 and 32 bit, various flavors 2: solaris x86 and sparc various flavors 3: aix various flavors 4: mac os various flavors including powerpc 5: windows 6 other linuxes also lets not forget about LD_LIBRARY_PATH issues, incomparable installed libs, the need to go off the reservation to get something working. Instead of yum working on my redhat boxes I need to compile a specific version of something *AND* make sure this app finds it but that the other apps do not. and for all of the above tech support for swing is install right version of java. *AND* if you can not do that then tech support stops and people can get back to coding. well java is not good enough if you want a native look, you need C/C++ and binding that java uses. And why should Luke be a martyr and pay the price in his personal time/life for something that should be fun. If it is fun he more likely to continue to work on it, as is the case with most hobbies. And who said that I valued native integration all that much. And no one is saying he should or should not make a superlative swing wrapper or what ever he chooses to do. Also please keep in mind that "Better" is a good target and generally much more achievable then superlative. Shipped is also a wonderful thing. Better and shipped are really cool. And if you keep shipping better thing you get to superlative. thanks, marc > > Antony Blakey > -------------------------- > CTO, Linkuistics Pty Ltd > Ph: 0438 840 787 > > Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the > experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination > to do so. > -- Douglas Adams > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your > first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- Freedom is nothing but a chance to be better. --Albert Camus The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money. --Margaret Thatcher -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
