I agree, IDE wise, SciTe or Vim, a running REPL in a shell and load-file just does it for us... Years ago I was using Emacs but left it for other IDEs (Eclipse) for so long that I would need a few weeks to get back into it.
Not having the time in the last 6 months to dedicate getting fluent again in Emacs, I got along with language sensitive editors. I do not feel it cost me time not using and advanced IDE since the amount of Clojure code lines is by far less than their Java equivalents. On the fly expression evaluation and other features like that are good but there is much more to learn before these features become essentials... Surprisingly, stability of the Clojure run time has not been a big issue in our project. Rich does a good job to maintain things stable. That's one of the best open source effort I saw in terms of robustness. Contributors are also clever people. Even if 1.0 is not out yet, useful work (i.e. production mode stuff) is doable with Clojure. We do it right now... Luc On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 05:52 -0800, Meikel Brandmeyer wrote: > Hi, > > On 18 Dez., 14:09, Mibu <mibu.cloj...@gmail.com> wrote: > > An editor for a lisp language is not just a text editor for the source > > that you then compile. It's an environment that interacts with a REPL. > > We should stay on the carpet, shouldn't we? If you have such an > environment, fine. I use vim, which is undoubtedly one of the most > powerful editors out there. But until recently I copy'n'pasted my code > into the Repl. No SLIME here. Still I could edit Clojure code. This > is just a matter of convenience. > > > So people can't just use whatever they've been using. The python > > example only strengthens my argument. Python comes with IDLE which is, > > similar to many lisp environments, a development environment with an > > interactive prompt, editor, debugger, etc. Very simple, yet complete > > and right there for someone new to the language. > > Now we turn back time to approx. one year after the first > official Python release. Was there an IDLE? One year after > the first official release of Perl. Was there a CPAN? (Honest > questions, but I suspect both answers to be "No") > > There is so much going on at the editor front at the moment: > - emacs + SLIME > - a jedit mode > - enclojure for netbeans > - eclipse plugin > - vim + gorilla > > If you just want to get started, use whatever you have, or > Clojure Box to get an emacs + SLIME combination working > out of the box, preconfigured, ready to repl away. > > Regarding syntax highlighting and indenting, the Vim mode > is state of the art. I'm working on Gorilla to bring a SLIME-like > feeling to the Vim world. > > Everything is in motion and develops. Maybe you just have > the wrong expectations? Remember: Clojure was released > *one* year ago! And now have again a look at the community. > Everything is humming with activity. That not everything > is ready to use is not surprising. > > So dear newbies: have some patience. Clojure is a language > developing at a breath-taking pace. If you are learning not > only Clojure, but also FP for example, then step back and > wait for 1.0 to let the development stabilise or bring patience > with you. > > Of course, there are still things missing, but the community > is working on it. So don't turn Clojure down, because it's > not perfect, yet. > > Sincerely > Meikel > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
