Have you emailed that guy back since then? He may've put something together but forgot about it.
If imake could get any deader, I was just emailed saying upstream wouldn't even merge our changes due to our imake being lgplv2+ licensed, so my vote is officially migrating to autotools after this release. Thank you for your time, -Chase ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On June 21, 2018 2:43 PM, Jon Trulson <j...@radscan.com> wrote: > > > On 06/20/2018 06:46 PM, Matthew R. Trower wrote: > > > > As for dtudc*, why? Who needs it? > > > > > > If you really want it, there is no reason it could not just be > > > > > > maintained outside of CDE as a separate project -- just requiring a > > > > > > X11/Motif/CDE dev environment to build. > > > > > > Is there some strong reason we need to kill it? I understand why there > > > > > > might not be priority for others to fix it, but if I were willing to > > > > > > repair it, can it stay? I don't know anything about this component > > > > > > personally, but I'd like to see the traditional CDE toolkit and > > > > > > application base stay intact where at all possible. > > Yes. It is pure evil. It cannot be allowed to exist. > > Ok, the reason I killed it is because: > > 1. I had never heard of it before, it was never in any version CDE I > > ever maintained (starting around 1997 or so). > > 2. It generates tons of compiler and coverity warnings. It seems to > > actually duplicate some X11 headers (but renames them) for some evil > > reason. Ok, I like to use the term 'evil' when looking at that code, > > because it just sucks. > > 3. It does not serve any useful purpose that I can discern. I have a > > feeling that this was some development tool, created in a hurry within > > HP, IBM, whatever and it was just slapped in at the last moment without > > any review. > > If someone (you) wants to revive it, then please: > > 4. grab it from on older commit before it was removed > 5. work on it in your own personal repository > 6. Once it is in shape - cleaned up, builds, runs, does not spit out > > tons of compiler warnings, etc, then submit a PR/patch re-introducing > > it, and we can review. > > > > Separate maintainership is one possiblity, but I have reservations > > > > regarding splitting up the CDE codebase... > > > > > TBH, I'd like to get rid of dtmail as well, unless someone wants to > > > > > > drag it into the 21st century. > > > > Okay, definitely I want dtmail to stay. Yes, it needs some help. > > > > Completing the IMAP support would go a long ways. It's on my list of > > > > items to attend to; I can try to bump it up in priority. > > Well, my point is that dtmail isn't really safe to use on the Internet. > > I'm only half-way joking when I say I want to kill it. But dtmail has > > been around since the beginning of CDE, so I won't kill it - I will > > advise not using though in it's current state. > > I had briefly talked to one of the original developers of it (he emailed > > me out of the blue one day), and he told me he had introduced a lot of > > things like SSL support and the like that for some reason never made it > > into the TOG code base. > > He is retired now, and mentioned he might take up trying to fix it up > > again, but that was 2-3 years ago and I haven't heard a peep from him > > since. I don't blame him really :) > > > > Besides, there are far better font editors out there, if that's your > > > thing. > > > > Some people would undoubtedly argue that there are far better (more > > > > capable, modern, etc) desktop environemnts out there. Obviously, some > > > > of us still care about this one, undoubtedly for a variety of reasons. > > > > So I guess this is a reasonable time to ask, what is your vision for the > > > > CDE project? Do you want to maintain this legacy product as-is, keeping > > > > it alive? Do you want to modernize it somehow? Do you want it mainly > > > > to serve the purposes of the developer base here, and people who don't > > > > want to let go of their old familiar environment? Do you want to stage > > > > a coup and overthrow Gnome/KDE/Unity? =) > > > > I know those are broad questions, I'm just wondering what you're > > > > thinking in general; if there's a master plan, or what. This type of > > > > question is important, I think, when considering things like platform > > > > support, and which programs we want to maintain. > > In short, I want CDE to go down in history as the desktop environment > > that exposed the Universe to the spectacle of its own destruction!! > > BWAHAHHAHAHAHAH! > > Ok, with some seriousness - I want it to be reliable and useful. I want > > it to work on modern systems, and using modern methods, libraries and > > the like, while preserving that which makes CDE, well, CDE. > > This includes UTF8 support, a more modern build system, and conforming > > to modern standards (freedesktop,org, Xrandr, etc) as much as we can > > accommodate. > > Of course this also depends heavily on Motif. I want it to be safe - > > ie: not introduce security issues. I want it to not make maintaining it > > a painful ugly experience. I want a basket of puppies too. > > dtudc* doesn't contribute anything IMO to that. But hey, if you want to > > fix it up and re-introduce it as described above, knock yourself out. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Jon Trulson > > "Fire all weapons and open a hailing frequency for my victory yodle." > > - Zapp Brannigan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ cdesktopenv-devel mailing list cdesktopenv-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/cdesktopenv-devel
