Chita, I disagree that the age limitation for an entry level job does anything good to a society. It gives a clear advantage to graduates from a few prestigious universities, because less fortunate students would need more time to develop their careers, no matter how talented they are. So, a competition for those positions shifts to a younger age of application to colleges, where social inequity defines a success even stronger. Moreover, it creates conditions for a corruption, because people will try to place their children in those colleges at any cost. Very poor countries cannot copy free market models from the West. Their governments should develop special programs giving an opportunity to talented kids from socially disadvantageous families to compete for good jobs. I hope your government does not require a proof of birth in a city where an institute is located? There were countries with such preconditions.
Best regards, Alex On Oct 30, 2012, at 10:25 AM, Chittaranjan Das wrote: > I agree with Garib that we should stop this, because nothing productive seems > to be coming out of this discussion. > > I however like to clarify one thing about the comment I made about agism. I > merely intended to interpret what the age limit preference means in the > context of Government of India's policy (therefore, I used the quotation > mark). I DO NOT endorse the policy. The government stipulates an age limit > for any government job, including the job at MBU, IISC (last time I knew, it > used to be controlled by the Government, at least in the recruitment and > retirement part). Clearly, it does not confirm to the Equal Employment > Opportunity (EEO) in the US, very much like many regulations in China or in > Europe do not mean anything in the US. What works for US does not necessarily > work for India. > > I always wondered what the age limit means. Why should there be one? Maybe > the answer lies in the socio-economic structure of the country. Here is a > country with nearly a billion people with much less opportunity (the GDP is > nowhere comparable to that of US). The question for the law makers is how to > distribute a very few job among the most qualified people. If we are looking > at two candidates that have very similar credentials, maybe the one who > accomplished them at an earlier age is better?. I think that's what the word > 'preferably' signifies. I also think that it is somehow related to some grant > agencies in the US determining who is a 'young investigator'. Again, because > the opportunities are so few. Am I wrong? > > Once again, I love the Equal Employment Opportunity (EEO) in US and that's > one of the reasons I came to US. But, do I think a discussion over CCP4bb > can change government of India' policy and India's socio-economic status? I > think not, but then, I may be a pessimist. > > Best > Chitta > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Garib N Murshudov" <ga...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk> > To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 5:40:23 AM > Subject: [ccp4bb] > > Dear all > > > > > Could we stop at this point. > > > > > regards > Garib > > > > > > > On 30 Oct 2012, at 18:35, Kavyashree Manjunath wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > I agree to that. But I presume that this is a platform to > discuss scientific problems and not a forum to discuss or > pour out personal frustrations. There may be other channels > for such grievances but not this. I was just hoping this does > not become a social network wherein everyone are free to > express anything. > > Thank you > kavya > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > Dear Kavya, > > > > > > given the test is written in proper English with proper grammer etc., > > > I think you are actually asking for censorship. I am happy ccp4bb does > > > not censor such emails, be they in accordance with one's opinion or not! > > > > > > Best, > > > Tim > > > > > > On 10/30/2012 06:15 AM, Kavyashree Manjunath wrote: > > > > > Dear CCP4 users, > > > > > > > > > > It is extremely sad that CCP4BB has failed to moderate/screen for > > > > > such spam mails! > > > > > > > > > > Thanks kavya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,**** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no need to apply to this position, we suggest. It is a > > > > > > > PREDETERMINED SELECTION, i.e. candidate is fixed and this > > > > > > > (advertisement, screening, selection board, selection and > > > > > > > approval) is just the procedure. **** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It does not matter whether you apply or not. If you apply and > > > > > > > called for interview, then you have to waste your valuable time > > > > > > > as well as huge travel money unless some Big Boss is fixing you > > > > > > > to the post.**** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interestingly Indian Institute of Science recruits and carries > > > > > > > faculties and trains them in such a way that it has become a > > > > > > > epicentre of recruitment scams across India and it make rest of > > > > > > > Indian Scientists/Faculties in their path of scams and CRIME. > > > > > > > Students also inherit the character of their boss. They do not > > > > > > > participate in any form of fair selection in the country. Almost > > > > > > > all cases they select and load many times inferior candidates > > > > > > > even though candidate was not seen by anybody or interviewed. > > > > > > > Similarly they distribute various national awards among > > > > > > > themselves and within their group. THEY ARE NOT ASHAMED AT > > > > > > > ALL.**** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is just an attempt of WASTING HUGE PUBLIC MONEY by a bunch > > > > > > > of crooks who are good for nothing but worst for everything. > > > > > > > **** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sham**** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - -- > > > Dr Tim Gruene > > > Institut fuer anorganische Chemie > > > Tammannstr. 4 > > > D-37077 Goettingen > > > > > > GPG Key ID = A46BEE1A > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) > > > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > > > > > iD8DBQFQj5K5UxlJ7aRr7hoRAum6AKDzlXQSoX827+OrPJOiWy1zF24pVgCgymMq > > > Hgv5aAxCqVjSnONml1GSfx0= > > > =KVPK > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > -- > > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > > > believed to be clean. > > > > > > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > > > Dr Garib N Murshudov Group Leader, MRC Laboratory of Molecular Biology > > Hills Road > Cambridge > CB2 0QH UK > Email: garib @mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk > Web http://www.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk
