--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "ritu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Jan Coffey wrote:
> 
>  
> > > > Then move back to India, or act like a guest while you are 
here. 
> > You 
> > > > don't get to come here and have citizenship and still be 
loyal to 
> > > > India. Well, actually, you do, but that doesn't make it right.
> > > 
> > > I live in India. I was born here and have lived here ever 
since. 
> > > I am curious - what made you assume otherwise?
> > 
> > 
> > Quite honestly, you talke as if you are here, and have a right to 
> > have an opinion about ~parts~ of this topic I feel now that you 
do 
> > not. 
> 
> I talk as if I am there in the US? What does that mean?
> And do you accept a similar restriction on your opinions - that is, 
you
> do not have the right to hold one on India or Indians since you 
don't
> live here? Can't say I have noticed that in this thread.
> 
> > > Do we have problems? Sure. But we are still the same people we 
were 
> > 4-5
> > > years ago...
> > 
> > 4 or 5 years ago it was your problem not ours. Now it is our 
problem 
> > too.
> 
> Why? I thought you told Jon:
> 
> "I'm sorry, but someone from, somewhere else really doesn't have a 
> right to comment on how we should act, if they want to be a citizen 
> of this country, and pledge aligence to it, then they are welcome, 
> but until then, their opinion is not worth squat on that topic...."
> 
> Mind you, I find the idea of limiting one's knowledge and opinions 
to a
> particular geographical region rather silly but I thought you might 
want
> to be consistent in your beliefs... :)

You can't see the connection? I did say it wasn't out concern ~until~ 
it started to negativly effect our citizens. You are so clearly 
streatching to try and make my statments apear hypocritical. You have 
left the relm of arguing the points and started arguing the person.

Even those who agree with your arguments on the points (which is 
probablky most everyone on this list) and those who at first glance 
thought it hypocritical, do, if they were honest with themselves, 
realize that it isn't and that you are no-longer arguing points, but 
people.

My opinions Ritu are not always consistent, (no ones are) but in this 
case they are in fact. Your countries issues of which I spoke, were 
not at all the concern of any American citizen, or should I say, 
should not be IMO. However, since the recent occurences of which we 
disscuss, they have become our issue. Why? becouse we should have two 
choices, a totaly free and open trade (including employment) or none. 
My opinoin again, and you are free to disagree, but that doesn't make 
it an invalid opinion.

So what does each of these mean? The free market version means that 
workers should have the opertunity to move to where the jobs are, 
that each person should be capable of attempting the same employment 
and living in the same locations as to allow that employement to give 
them equal opertunity. That would mean that an American should be 
afforded equal opertunity to live and work in India and also be 
afforded the same protection under the law that an american is 
accustomed to.

The other option means an American company can not employ a non-
American unless there are no qualified americans willing to take the 
job for reasonable compensation.

Likewise of course in reverse. There are I am sure protections that 
Indians might want living in the US that they do recive in Indea, and 
that no Indian should be unemployed if an Indian company has work to 
be done.

Once again you can disagree with this opinion, but that is not what 
you are questioning. You are questioning my consistency. I think you 
will find it quite consistent.

"4 or 5 years ago it was your problem not ours. Now it is our problem 
too."

I am refering both to the exodus of employment from the US to India, 
and the flooding of the US employment market with Indian Nationals.

Then again you are missing one very important distiction which I have 
ignored until now, and that distiction makes your whole argument mute 
on nearly every angle. And that is that I was refering to ~Culture~ 
mostly, not to ~Politics~. 

Still, I do not believe that you do not have a right to an ~opinion~ 
about US polotics or culture. Only, you do not have a right to an 
opinion about whether or not the exodus of jobs from our nation to 
yours is a good or a bad thing, and the appropriate political actions 
we should take surounding that exodus. 

That would be like Bill Gates carring what Larry Ellison thought 
Microsoft's market stratagy should be.
 

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