Deborah Harrell wrote:

> How many here who consider themselves religious,
> spiritual, or otherwise somehow connected to the
> Divine have had that feeling of "universal
> connectedness" or "sacred presence" (drug experiences
> disqualified in my book) -- and how many here who
> consider themselves atheist or agnostic (or
> indifferent) have had such a feeling/sense?

Numinous moments!

My favourite was after spending eight hours traipsing all around the
fantastic ancient site of Petra in Jordan. The scenery fantastic and the
ancient magnificent works of man on display. Sitting alone in the gloaming
having a cup of mint tea. Very calm, still evening. Camel rider singing
beautifully after a hard day's work dealing with tourists, his voice echoing
off the red sandstone cliffs. Such a joyful and spontaneous sound.

Still get goosebumps reliving the memories.

You had to be there...  I don't have the skill to adequately describe the
feeling.

Regards, Ray.

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