David Hobby wrote:
> 
> Julia Thompson wrote:
> >
> > Deborah Harrell wrote:
> >
> > > How many here who consider themselves religious,
> > > spiritual, or otherwise somehow connected to the
> > > Divine have had that feeling of "universal
> > > connectedness" or "sacred presence" (drug experiences
> > > disqualified in my book) ...
> 
>         But traditional methods such as fasting, sleep deprivation,
> frenetic dancing, sensory deprivation, self-flagellation, etc
> are all O.K.?  Unfair!
> 
> > If there is a "spirituality gene" and some people are lacking, if they
> > feel deprived, might they be more inclined toward drug experiences to
> > achieve such feelings?
> >
> > If so, then something that I heard about recently makes a lot more sense
> > than it did to me at the time I heard it....
> >
> >         Julia
> 
>         Julia, you're unfair too.  Either tell it or not, but don't
> just mention it and leave it.  : )

I don't want to give too much detail, because I don't want to get anyone
in trouble.

Prior to a big blow-out thing that was of spiritual significance for at
least some of the participants, in the frantic get-ready-for-it someone
was asking after a particular pipe so she could get high beforehand. 
(And she was one of the people for which it had spiritual significance.)

I couldn't see the point, myself; sleep dep would do a lot for me, and
crowd mood would carry me a ways, as well, if I walked in in the right
mindset to let it.  (Frentic dancing was also a mood-alterer of choice
for a number of people, but sheer fatigue ruled *that* out for me, not
to mention that it's not easy to dance frentically when you're obviously
pregnant and not used to frentic dancing.)

Then again, she'd taken Benadryl or something the previous couple of
nights so she was able to sleep through all sorts of crap that I
couldn't, so maybe she wasn't suffering the degree of sleep dep I was.

        Julia
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