On 9/10/19 4:10 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote:> I do wonder if maybe "all the interlocking cogs... turning fine" is part of the problem. In real-life political systems, things keep changing because people still feel that they are inadequate or unjust, or because there are current events that need to be responded to. But in Agora, there seems to be a general consensus that the current system is fit for purpose and needs no major improvements or alterations. So, naturally, nothing much tends to change with the "core" rules, and instead we've been distracting ourselves with a series of sub-games.

Perhaps it's time to deliberately tinkering some of the core rules and see what 
happens?

Right, this is exactly how I envisioned C&B. A deliberate change to the core ruleset. Economic systems, despite shifting due to the needs of the rest of the rules, are still a core part of the game. C&B would change up the process a little bit, perhaps spurring a change to the rest of the ruleset. Do you want me to expand this to more parts of the core ruleset? I have plenty of ideas for that.

For example, I know from archives that proposals tend to oscillate between "free and 
accessible to everyone" and "gated behind game mechanics". When I registered a year 
and a half ago, proposals cost a nominal fee, and now they're totally unrestricted - so we've gone 
through a phase of direct democracy. What would people think about changing that?

For the record, I've never really been completely on-board with infinite completely free proposals for all. I would love if someone brought proposal fees back.

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Trigon

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