The Cisco 79xx phones weren't Sipura/Linksys ever.  They were solid
commercial phones.  Those phones running skinny would work with the CCM
(Cisco Call Manager) - and others.

On Tue, Apr 1, 2025 at 4:44 PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:

> Amazing what a name means to people.  In the case of Cisco, most of their
> products came from acquisitions.  The VoIP phones were originally from
> Sipura, which Cisco bought and put under the Linksys brand.  When they sold
> Linksys to Belkin, they kept the Sipura phones and put the Cisco badge on
> them.  I have an old, old SPA504G sitting on my desk, it does say CISCO IP
> PHONE though, so obviously it’s a serious phone.
>
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sipura_Technology
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco_Catalyst
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acquisitions_by_Cisco
>
>
>
> Cisco is named after San Francisco, the founders came from Stanford.  So
> maybe the customer needs to realize he wants “woke” phones.
>
>
>
> If he is just showing a preference for stuff from US companies instead of
> all that cheap Chinese and Korean stuff, rest assured Grandstream is a US
> company.  But from the opposite coast, I believe their HQ is in Boston.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 1, 2025 3:20 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Desk VoIP Phones
>
>
>
> I wish I could answer this.  I deployed quite a few of the SPA5xx phones.
> Those are straightforward enough, so if there's one with Bluetooth and you
> find one new enough to have a Cisco badge maybe you can appease that
> person.
>
>
>
> I did have one proper Cisco that we played with, and at the time I recall
> it being rather more difficult than everything else.  We wanted the option
> just in case we had someone like you have who insists on Cisco, but over
> the years I did VoIP, exactly zero customers ever wanted a proper Cisco
> after seeing what it cost.
>
>
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* AF on behalf of Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 1, 2025 1:41 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Desk VoIP Phones
>
>
>
> We've been using grandstream phones for quite a while, cheap and easy to
> provision.  One of my new business customers is making a stink because
> 'he's never heard of Grandstream, these phones just don't work with my
> bluetooth headset, I NEED a Cisco phone because that's a real phone'
> I'm thinking that it's mainly about ego, that his friends probably have
> Cisco phones on their desks, and he doesn't, so he's making up issues.
>
> I haven't used Cisco phones in many years, Linksys SPA504G's were my
> last dabble into non-grandstream phones.
>
> It looks like a Cisco phone with Bluetooth (A requirement) is about $550
> for an 8851.  How do you provision those?  Is there any sort of cloud
> provisioning?  Still done with TFTP?   Put some sort of call manager on
> site?  I really like that I can provision the Grandstream phones while
> they are behind the customers firewall without having to do any port
> forwarding etc.  Cisco always used to like Licensing, is that still the
> case to use them with normal SIP, or are they all SIP now.
>
> Just wondering if it's worth trying to investigate Cisco phones for this
> one customer, or if Cisco phones really want a Cisco Callmanager on the
> backend.
>
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