EEOC has been with us since 1965. I first became a hiring manager in 1980, and
went through corporate equal employment opportunity training. I worked for a
division of Rockwell International which had a lot of government business, so
it was taken to heart. But honestly, in times of full employment, it was
viewed as a competitive advantage in order to have the widest field of
candidates to hire.
Companies tend to set criteria that actually have no relationship to being able
to do the job. They also will hold out for the "best candidate" rather than
one that is merely qualified. These are things we learned from the training.
An example today that my son hits me with all the time is jobs that require a
college degree for absolutely no reason, like to be a receptionist or warehouse
worker, it's just a way to exclude people. The intent may not be to
discriminate against people based on gender, race, ethnicity, or family income
but that can be the outcome.
Another example I have run into over the years is hiring ex military people.
The military provides a lot of technical training, but it is often specific to
certain weapon systems or they use terminology different than private industry.
If you don't take this into account, you will reject resumes from veterans or
decide during an interview that they are unqualified. Once you understand your
bias, you can better communicate to determine they are in fact qualified, just
not speaking your language. Or maybe they are 80% of the way there and just
need some on-the-job training to translate their military training to non
military systems.
I fear what is happening now that resume screening and even interviews are now
widely done via AI. You'd think AI would not have the biases that humans have,
but that's not the track record we're seeing from AI. Or if they try to write
code to overcome the training bias, you get AI generated pictures of black
Founding Fathers or female Popes.
All that said, I do remember specifically one female engineer I hired from a
competitor, and one black engineer I hired who was ex Bell Labs, who turned out
to be totally worthless. But hiring is not an exact science, who amongst us
has never hired someone and regretted it. DEI or otherwise.
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From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
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But also, then it would have to be fair and not punitive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com>
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2025 1:45:11 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Aviation
They attack "DEI" because no one knows what it's about. If they had called it
"fairness in hiring", they would have a tougher time attacking it. How would it
sound to say you're against fairness?
Similar (but different) with Antifa, which was shortening of anti-fascist. If
they said we're in favor of fascism, it might not have played a well.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 3/21/2025 11:02 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
DEI has been a target for Trump + Republicans the last few months. They don't
really know what it means, just that DEI is 100% to blame for every plane
situation for the last few months.
On Fri, Mar 21, 2025 at 1:12 PM Dev < d...@logicalwebhost.com > wrote:
Women are quite often better pilots from the ones I’ve tried to train, more
intuitive. Whatever the situation, if the mountains and the earth attached to
them suddenly get very large, the plane doesn’t care who’s flying it, or used
to be. Dirt matters.
On Mar 21, 2025, at 10:06 AM, Darin Steffl < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > wrote:
Yes, they messed up. Why even mention DEI? The requirements to be a commercial
pilot are the SAME for all races and genders. Stop parroting what the alt right
is saying.
There will be an investigation. They probably check for intoxication, enough
sleep, distractions, etc. If they're both straight, white males, then what?
What does Maga have to say about that?
Mistakes, crime, whatever are bad no matter who the person is. Why does the
right always bring race, sexuality, ethnicity, gender into everything? It's
weird and cult like behavior.
On Fri, Mar 21, 2025, 11:47 AM < ch...@go-mtc.com > wrote:
How in the hell do you mistake a taxi way for a runway?
Red vs Yellow signs?
Big assed white center stripe vs small yellow center stripe?
Big Numbers and big stripes.
Two guys or gals up front.
Has to be a DEI situation…. (removing tongue from cheek). --
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