Not really relevant, but Season 1 Episode 2 of the TV show Bull centered on the
trial of a female pilot after a plane crash. Bull's team has to overcome the
jury's unconscious bias against the female pilot. Who is ex-military BTW.
Looks like Bull is on Amazon Prime Video, Paramount+, and Roku Channel.
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From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Chuck
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2025 5:39 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Aviation
My vets are my best people.
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> On Mar 23, 2025, at 4:17 PM, Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:
>
> EEOC has been with us since 1965. I first became a hiring manager in 1980,
> and went through corporate equal employment opportunity training. I worked
> for a division of Rockwell International which had a lot of government
> business, so it was taken to heart. But honestly, in times of full
> employment, it was viewed as a competitive advantage in order to have the
> widest field of candidates to hire.
>
> Companies tend to set criteria that actually have no relationship to being
> able to do the job. They also will hold out for the "best candidate" rather
> than one that is merely qualified. These are things we learned from the
> training. An example today that my son hits me with all the time is jobs
> that require a college degree for absolutely no reason, like to be a
> receptionist or warehouse worker, it's just a way to exclude people. The
> intent may not be to discriminate against people based on gender, race,
> ethnicity, or family income but that can be the outcome.
>
> Another example I have run into over the years is hiring ex military people.
> The military provides a lot of technical training, but it is often specific
> to certain weapon systems or they use terminology different than private
> industry. If you don't take this into account, you will reject resumes from
> veterans or decide during an interview that they are unqualified. Once you
> understand your bias, you can better communicate to determine they are in
> fact qualified, just not speaking your language. Or maybe they are 80% of
> the way there and just need some on-the-job training to translate their
> military training to non military systems.
>
> I fear what is happening now that resume screening and even interviews are
> now widely done via AI. You'd think AI would not have the biases that humans
> have, but that's not the track record we're seeing from AI. Or if they try
> to write code to overcome the training bias, you get AI generated pictures of
> black Founding Fathers or female Popes.
>
> All that said, I do remember specifically one female engineer I hired from a
> competitor, and one black engineer I hired who was ex Bell Labs, who turned
> out to be totally worthless. But hiring is not an exact science, who amongst
> us has never hired someone and regretted it. DEI or otherwise.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2025 4:43 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Aviation
>
> But also, then it would have to be fair and not punitive.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com>
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2025 1:45:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Aviation
>
>
>
>
> They attack "DEI" because no one knows what it's about. If they had called it
> "fairness in hiring", they would have a tougher time attacking it. How would
> it sound to say you're against fairness?
>
> Similar (but different) with Antifa, which was shortening of anti-fascist. If
> they said we're in favor of fascism, it might not have played a well.
>
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
> On 3/21/2025 11:02 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
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>
>
> DEI has been a target for Trump + Republicans the last few months. They don't
> really know what it means, just that DEI is 100% to blame for every plane
> situation for the last few months.
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 21, 2025 at 1:12 PM Dev < d...@logicalwebhost.com > wrote:
>
>
>
> Women are quite often better pilots from the ones I’ve tried to train, more
> intuitive. Whatever the situation, if the mountains and the earth attached to
> them suddenly get very large, the plane doesn’t care who’s flying it, or used
> to be. Dirt matters.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 21, 2025, at 10:06 AM, Darin Steffl < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > wrote:
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>
> Yes, they messed up. Why even mention DEI? The requirements to be a
> commercial pilot are the SAME for all races and genders. Stop parroting what
> the alt right is saying.
>
>
> There will be an investigation. They probably check for intoxication, enough
> sleep, distractions, etc. If they're both straight, white males, then what?
> What does Maga have to say about that?
>
>
> Mistakes, crime, whatever are bad no matter who the person is. Why does the
> right always bring race, sexuality, ethnicity, gender into everything? It's
> weird and cult like behavior.
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 21, 2025, 11:47 AM < ch...@go-mtc.com > wrote:
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>
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>
> How in the hell do you mistake a taxi way for a runway?
>
>
>
> Red vs Yellow signs?
>
> Big assed white center stripe vs small yellow center stripe?
>
> Big Numbers and big stripes.
>
>
>
> Two guys or gals up front.
>
>
>
> Has to be a DEI situation…. (removing tongue from cheek). -- AF
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