Well sure, but that means they've failed other aspects of their security posture.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2024 10:24:02 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] company cell phones we had a client who got nearly bankrupted last year when lockbit 3.0 got them, even their backups and their backup server. you can have convenience or you can have security, and even if you have security, you don't. multimillion dollar companies with multimillion dollar security investments get hit. there is nothing powered on that is safe On Mon, Dec 30, 2024, 8:19 PM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: " There is no data being accessed in 2024 on a mobile device that is secure, dont pretend there is. If theyre going to exfiltrate your data, theyre going to do it, regardless of whos phone it is. If theyre going to get "hacked" theyre going to do it, regardless of whos phone it is." I think the point there is that businesses need to start caring about this kind of stuff. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Steve Jones" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > Sent: Monday, December 30, 2024 9:38:55 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] company cell phones Ive carried 2 phones for 15 years. I hate it My biggest issue is the company telephone number. I thought about going dual sim, but meh. Just pay their personal bill, or offer a stipend. If you need them calling out as the company, give them a redirect in your phone system and forward their extension to their cell. There is no data being accessed in 2024 on a mobile device that is secure, dont pretend there is. If theyre going to exfiltrate your data, theyre going to do it, regardless of whos phone it is. If theyre going to get "hacked" theyre going to do it, regardless of whos phone it is. Providing a phone is just giving them one other thing to break. And its just one more thing to have to recover when you shitcan them. and its just one more thing to keep charged, an you know for a fact their wife or kid took the charger because tiktok drained their battery. If they dont want to be tracked, fuckem and fire them if they wont accept the fact that they dont matter enough to track in their personal time. Matter of fact, just hit them with a pipe, save a whole lot of headache and cell expense. On Mon, Dec 30, 2024 at 8:42 AM Ken Hohhof < khoh...@kwom.com > wrote: <blockquote> Is running out of minutes still a thing? From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of David Hannum Sent: Monday, December 30, 2024 8:11 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] company cell phones We supplement $10/mo. to each employee who uses their phone for company work (field techs, etc). As a result, if they ever run out of minutes, it bites them at review time. We've had very little issue. Dave On Mon, Dec 30, 2024 at 8:33 AM Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: <blockquote> It's not their entire device, but there are requirements like the password/pin/face unlock/etc. Think of it this way: start with a personal phone and then slap on a "work expansion card". When appropriate you rip out that expansion card, leaving them with their personal stuff. On Sun, Dec 29, 2024 at 3:13 PM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: <blockquote> Your employees allow and you'd want control over their personal devices? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2024 10:00:40 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] company cell phones Google Workspace at minimum requires a code to access the device (pin, fingerprint, etc.) Yon can require 2fa. Once the device is auth'ed the admin has control over the workspace account (in our case anything at imaginenetworksllc.com ) https://apps.google.com/supportwidget/articlehome?hl=en&article_url=https%3A%2F%2Fsupport.google.com%2Fa%2Fanswer%2F6328679%3Fhl%3Den&assistant_event=welcome&assistant_id=mdmbot&product_context=6328679&product_name=UnuFlow&trigger_context=a On Sun, Dec 29, 2024 at 9:14 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: <blockquote> Part of data security also is about device compliance. Is there a pin? Is it rooted? Are there vulnerable applications installed? etc. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2024 4:50:03 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] company cell phones Using Google stuff here, any of the "work profile" or "G Suite account" data gets wiped if it ever reaches connectivity. Doesn't prevent any local cache from getting read, but you have to draw the line somewhere. Not like a company provided phone would prevent theft. On Sat, Dec 28, 2024 at 3:30 PM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: <blockquote> How do you handle data security with personal phones? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Tyson Burris" < t...@franklinisp.net > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2024 2:14:55 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] company cell phones My 2 Cents: Don’t waste your time or money. The excuses still come. You have some who are all for it, others who will carry two phones, and even those who want no part of it and want ‘control’. I stopped doing it a couple years ago. Saves the company a lot of money. 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