I miss real newscasters On Thu, Dec 12, 2024, 6:25 PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:
> Maybe March 6, 1981. > > https://youtu.be/G5tdqojA26E > > > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *ch...@go-mtc.com > *Sent:* Thursday, December 12, 2024 6:15 PM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Analogy > > > > For me, we peaked at the moon landing. Watergate was the beginning of the > long decline. > > > > *From:* Ken Hohhof > > *Sent:* Thursday, December 12, 2024 5:01 PM > > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Analogy > > > > https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2024/12/12 > > > > ‘Maybe we peaked at “I can haz cheezburger” and it’s been downhill ever > since.’ > > I like that, maybe I’ll frame it and put it on my wall. > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *ch...@go-mtc.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 11, 2024 1:14 PM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Analogy > > > > With deep fakes it is a constant cesspool of sketchy content. Alternate > or alternative facts are constantly before us. I guess it is a form of > anarchy. Strange new world. > > > > *From:* Bill Prince > > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 11, 2024 12:00 PM > > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Analogy > > > > Kind of what I've been coming to the conclusion of. > > The problem is that the truth has no value. What has value is your > attention (or lack thereof). Advertisers pay for attention, but they do not > pay for the truth. > > > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > On 12/11/2024 6:46 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: > > Yeah, there is the myth that if you just throw all the information out > there the truth will rise to the top. In reality the truth just gets buried > in the BS. > > On Wed, Dec 11, 2024, 6:35 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > > It’s great that the Internet gives us access to so much information and > communication, but we’re not ready for it. > > > > I was talking on quora to a person I will generously describe as a > vaccine skeptic. He absorbed a lot of information he didn’t understand and > built a lot of conclusions on top of that scaffolding. Spouting off about > carcinogenic DNA and various other nonsense he got off the Internet > somewhere. If he said all this stuff at a cocktail party, people would > give him weird looks, avoid him, and if he got weird enough they’d ask him > to leave. On the Internet he’s insulated from almost any social cues > telling him he sounds crazy, and he’ll connect with people and sources > which reinforce all of his beliefs. > > > > It’s gotten so bad that boloney from the Internet is influencing public > policy. The whole “eating the cats” thing ultimately stemmed from rumors > on twitter, and spread to the point where it came up in all seriousness at > a presidential debate. Someone has certainly eaten a cat somewhere, but > it’s not an actual trait or practice among Hatian immigrants. Nobody has > managed to track down a first hand account, and authorities aren’t seeing > reports of it. I’m not picking on Trump, he’s one example among millions, > and I doubt any of us are immune. To try to piss off as many people as > possible: a left wing example is the bad actions of some police officers > being amplified and projected onto all police officers. And yeah, the > overemphasis on trans people, who are a minuscule minority of people, is > fueled by the Internet. > > > > In the late 90’s, when I started in tech support, we used to joke about > our technically impaired customers needing an Internet license. We meant > they didn’t have the knowledge to use the computer, but maybe we need to > resurrect the idea as a serious answer. No Internet for you until you can > demonstrate understanding that memes are not news, anything on social media > is bullshit until proven otherwise, reddit is not research, reading the > title of a study doesn’t mean you understand anything about it, and people > can post and repost anything no matter how wrong it is. > > > > Either that or we shut the whole thing down. Maybe we peaked at “I can > haz cheezburger” and it’s been downhill ever since. > > > > Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef> > ------------------------------ > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Chuck <ch...@go-mtc.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 10, 2024 8:33:32 PM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com <af@af.afmug.com> > *Cc:* af@af.afmug.com <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Analogy > > > > I blame energy drinks and internet porn. We didn’t have these problems > when we were limited to a purloined playboy. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Dec 10, 2024, at 6:31 PM, Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote: > > > > I’ve never understood why devoutly religious people have the biggest > problem with gender dysphoric people. Surely God made them that way, and > God does not make mistakes. That’s not me saying that, I have a loosey > goosey relationship with organized religion. But that’s how I imagine > deeply religious people thinking. Like maybe Sheldon’s mom? > > > > If you’ve ever known a transgender person, the people who say it’s just > men who decide to become women so they can go in the womens bathroom and > assault women, that seems simplistic and mean spirited. Or whenever I hear > the term “lifestyle”, I know it’s talking points time. Like people who > choose the gay lifestyle. Why do we never near about choosing the asshole > lifestyle? I’m not sure we can blame God for that one, it does seem like a > lifestyle choice. > > > > Not targeting any of these comments at you, BTW. > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *ch...@go-mtc.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 10, 2024 6:57 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Analogy > > > > I apologize for starting this thread. I was just wanting to put a bit of > polish on my purposely provocative analogy. I still think it a fun thought > having teachers help kids come out and admit they are alcoholics. I can > see this being an SNL skit. Maybe they will pay me lotsa money for writing > this skit for them.... (see, you do not have to be trans to be > delusional). > > > > Ken, I prefer the term “cross dresser”... My kids also had friends that > felt they were some how born wrong. But with them the kids just became > butch lesbians and are seemingly happy. We run into them now and then. > > > > > > > > *From:* Jason McKemie > > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 10, 2024 5:33 PM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Analogy > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 5:44 PM <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote: > > Lessee.... I was trying to be ridiculous, but I feel a bit of an impulse > to provide some serious counterpoint here, this is bound to be a bad idea: > > > > “Unfortunately they've repositioned themselves to be in favor of > government control with: book bans, white washing history, controlling > women's Healthcare, trying to ban same sex marriage, forcing religion > (specifically Christianity) into public schools, threatening to imprison > the media and people who speak out against them. “ > > > > *Book Bans*. Yes, grade school kids do not need books describing gay > anal rape etc. Kids need to be allowed to grow up protected from the > gritty truths of the world. Book bans are necessary to prevent greater > harm. > > Book bans cover more than these sensationalist topics, reasonable people > can agree not all books should be in a school library. > > > > *White washing history*. History is there for the reading, more content > and transparency than ever before. What has been labeled “white washing” > is in reality an attempt to bring balance to the narrative in public > schools. If you keep teaching “whitey is bad” then how do you ever expect > people to be allowed to change? The pendulum swings. > > Critical race theory and some similar things are a bit out of control > IMO. This definitely depends on the school you attend, they never taught > this stuff at my school (I'm pretty sure they still don't teach it there). > > > > *Controlling women’s healthcare*. Call it what it really is, > Abortion. And for the majority of the world Abortion == Murder of an > innocent child. This will never change. So don’t “whitewash” it by > calling murder “health care”. Almost all sides understand there are > medically necessary abortions and most are not arguing about those. This > is a red herring. Moreover Trump said it is a states rights thing, he is > right. Read the constitution, anything not explicitly delineated or > enumerated in the constitution is delegated to the control of the states. > Don’t like what your state is doing, work to change it there. > > The argument that it is a child carries a ton of religious baggage. I > would agree that it should be a state decision - many in the Republican > party do not agree. There are also many other reproductive issues that fall > into grey areas when abortion is outlawed. > > > > *Religion into schools*: Our whole legal system, actually the legal > system of the entire western world is derived from Exodus chapter 20. The > 10 commandments. Putting the original codified law, the list governing > behavior is not an injection of Christianity into the world of your > precious little liberals kiddies. It is a display of the origins of > western civilization. And the fact that supposedly believe in the “Rule of > Law” What better exhibit than to display the origin of that. > > I think you can teach kids the facts about religion without > indoctrination, again I think this varies based on school district. > > > > Who is imprisoning media personalities? You mean like Biden having the > FBI force Facebook and Twitter to silence and block their critics? > > > > > > > > *From:* Jason McKemie > > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 10, 2024 4:19 PM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Analogy > > > > Very well stated. > > > > I hope both political parties can get closer to center in the next few > years (this is the only way our democracy can function properly), but I'm > not holding my breath. The current situation with the Republican party is > only going to make things worse on both sides of the aisle. > > > > On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 4:26 PM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> > wrote: > > I think you're drinking the conspiracy kool-aid with this claim. I'm 33 > and when I was in school, they needed permission to provide me something > small like Tylenol. I have family members who are teachers and kids in our > family from elementary to highschool. I'm also in Minnesota which has been > blue for a long time. > > > > There is absolutely zero truth to kids being secretly helped to transition > with meds or operations. The claim is absurd. > > > > The claim that people support secret transition operations is also absurd. > I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative and this is not anything I > would support. I doubt you'll find any sane adult that supports this. That > means the democratic party absolutely does not support this either. > > > > What I and most of the party does support is talking with kids who feel > their gender doesn't match the way they were born. This means therapy, > counseling, consultations with a doctor to talk through everything. Parents > should be involved in the conversations if the child wants to do anything > more than talk. Things like medications and such should not be provided > without parental and doctor involvement. Again, there is ZERO evidence of > schools providing any sort of medical treatment, prescriptions, or > operations in secret to kids. Any such claim to the contrary is absurd. > They don't have enough money for class supplies as it is. > > > > What I do support is the school keeping the gender identity and sexuality > private from parents IF the child feels the parents will be abusive to them > if they come out. There's plenty of examples of strict or religious parents > who would abuse or kick out a child if they came out as trans or LGBT. The > privacy protection is something I'm onboard with. Anything more than > counseling should not be allowed until parents are involved and a doctor > agrees with any plans. Ideally, no physical operations will happen until > they're 18 under any circumstances. > > > > This is my opinion as a slightly left of center voter. Republicans should > be in full support of these views as the self proclaimed "freedom party". > Unfortunately they've repositioned themselves to be in favor of government > control with: book bans, white washing history, controlling women's > Healthcare, trying to ban same sex marriage, forcing religion (specifically > Christianity) into public schools, threatening to imprison the media and > people who speak out against them. Republicans are not about freedom > anymore since Trump became popular. I hope once he's done with his second > term that the party can return to normal. > > > > On Tue, Dec 10, 2024, 5:55 PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote: > > K-12 schools I am familiar with won't give out a Tylenol without parents > permission, I'm not sure if they can apply a bandaid. So I'm skeptical > about the meds part. > > ---- Original Message ---- > From: ch...@go-mtc.com > Sent: 12/10/2024 1:28:27 PM > To: af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Analogy > > OK, how can I strengthen the analogy? I kinda want it to have a bit of a > gotcha effect. > > I am purposely trying to be a bit vague as to practitioner and meds. > > > > > > *From:* Bill Prince > > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 10, 2024 12:07 PM > > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Analogy > > > > That's why context is so important. "Practitioner" is pretty subjective, > as is "meds". What if the meds were LSD, methamphetamine, psilocybin, > morphine? What if the practitioner were RFK Jr? > > Analogy is weak. > > > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > On 12/10/2024 9:17 AM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote: > > Does this idea work: > > Say the school observes/detects a certain trait in your kid. The kid > seemingly agrees with the people at the school. They think that if they > can get the kid treatment, the kid will be much happier and relaxed. > > > > So they pursue some counseling for the kid and help the kid obtain some > treatment meds from a practitioner. > > All without the knowledge of the parents. > > Seemingly the kid is happier and more well adjusted. They become > gregarious and outgoing and find it easier to find friends. > > Nobody seems to tell the kid or be worried about the long term physical > and mental effects. > > > > Some folks in this nation think this is totally OK. > > All for the kid right. > > > > Now, a few details I left out: > > > > The teacher thinks the kid might be an alcoholic. There is some science > that hints that alcholism is genetic. The school thinks that it might be > helpful for the kid to explore the world of alcohol. They give the kid > some books on mixology etc. So they set up a kid bar with a bar tender to > give them their meds during the day. 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