I literally had the Foreman’s basement experience too. One kid that lived in
town (I was a farm kid) had a basement that was wholly without parental
regulation. We were there almost every day. Even had a Jacky and Kelso.
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2024 11:30 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads
Kids assume if their parents are strict it’s because none of those things
existed back then. They don’t realize it’s because those things were
everywhere back then. Your parents aren’t the clueless ninnies you think they
are.
What do they think is going on in Forman’s basement on That 70’s Show? Have
they never watched an Austin Powers movie?
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2024 12:12 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads
Remember it well. It's banned many places, but not in the good-old USA.
bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>On 9/30/2024 9:57 AM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:
Did roomates one time. At college. Total Animal House back in the late
1970s. Fridge converted to a keg cooler. Sex, drugs, rock and roll. I wasn’t
down on the farm any more. My kids and grandkids think of it as a mythological
time, not sure it was real.
Anyone remember paraquat?
From: dmmoff...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2024 10:04 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads
First apartment in 1998: $40/week for a bedroom. The living room, kitchen,
and 1 bathroom shared with 5 other guys. Power and heat were included, and the
group shared the cost of a phone. That place got incredibly squalid, and some
of my roommates were involved in illegal activities. The police raided the
place a few weeks after I moved out. These drug dealers were very nice people
though and I did feel bad for them –When you think about it they work in sales,
right? If they’re any good at it they’re probably nice guys.
Second apartment in 1999: $540/month plus utilities. I had heat, electric,
and phone. I used email at work and opted not to have a connection at home. I
made $8/hour. By the time I paid the car insurance I was broke every month.
But it was cleaner because it was just me. This was literally the only time in
my life when I had my own place. One year.
Third apartment in 2000 - 2003: Split a 2 BR house with 3 other guys. Myself
and one other guy shared the finished back porch which may or may not have
legally counted as a 3rd bedroom. This one also got squalid, but less so than
the first one, and no nefarious activities. We mostly all got along and had
fun together.
I had one other apartment after that…..a nicer one where everybody had their
own room, but still shared. After that it was me and my wife.
Roommates were a grand adventure. Highly recommended.
-Adam
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2024 11:21 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads
There's still stigma associated with room mates. Every time I get in a
conversation about this, I'm beaten for daring to suggest having room mates.
It's always stuff like how dare I suggest a room mate to a person whose bar as
a single person with no kids being a 3 or 4 bedroom townhouse.
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From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:khoh...@kwom.com
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2024 9:37:10 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads
We bought the house where I still live in 1976 for $60,000. Had to save up
the 20% down payment. Was living in a $200/mo apartment. We were "dinks" (dual
income no kids) although my wife was going to school part of that time.
Main difference today seems to be a shortage of houses. Also less people
seeing home ownership as the "American dream". And majority of new housing
comes with the dreaded HOA.
But for the people working gig jobs it's going to be tough to buy a house. Or
single parents. Not sure that's a generational thing.
The good news maybe is there's less of a stigma living with your parents in
your 20s or 30s to make ends meet. In my day you'd rather live with 3 roommates
in a run down apartment and eat ramen for every meal, than live with mom and
dad.
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From: dmmoff...@gmail.com
Sent: 9/30/2024 9:18:52 AM
To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'"
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads
The actual cost of the house was about half after adjusting for inflation.
https://www.longtermtrends.net/home-price-vs-inflation/
Meanwhile, real wages have been flat.
I do believe it’s harder to save for the down payment. Your monthly payment
would be higher with a higher interest rate, but the bar people have trouble
crossing is saving for the down payment while also paying their rent. If they
can pay $1500/month in rent they could pay $1500/month for a mortgage right?
So I don’t think this problem is imaginary.
I also believe we live in a free market wherein most of this is determined by
the collective decisions of millions of people. Blaming any particular group
of people is oversimplifying.
-Adam
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2024 7:00 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads
And 13.5% mortgage rates. Buying a house in the 70's was Waaaay more
difficult than it is now...
On 9/27/24 12:06 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Sounds about right.
Only thing I'd add is I think the Internet contributes to this.
I hear from my 37 year old son how all these difficulties are because the
"boomers" broke everything and rigged the system against them. I don't think
the kids really know what a baby boomer is, it's a synonym for "the olds".
At 37 he's not the Instagram/Tiktok generation, more the
Youtube/Reddit/podcast generation. But people are telling him the boomers
rigged the system and made life hard for him.
Hey, I am a boomer. I went through recessions, the Vietnam draft, double
digit inflation, the Arab oil embargo, the stock market crash of 1987. Oh and
JFK, John Lennon and Ronald Reagan being shot. I figured I had it good because
my dad and uncle fought in WW2, and my grandfather lived through the Great
Depression. But I guess everything was just peachy until my generation
conspired to make life difficult for the "not olds".
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From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)"
Sent: 9/27/2024 12:42:26 PM
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads
My take on this is that most high school or college grads take a while to
figure out how to manage having a job. They also take a while to accumulate
enough resources and get paid enough that life doesn't consist of working your
ass off just to barely cover (or not) essential living expenses. Most of us
started out living in crap conditions, eating whatever we could get for cheap,
and driving vehicles which were lucky to start on a good day.
The difference I see is that gen Z seems to blame the 'olds' for their
problems and don't understand that everyone goes through this barely feeding
yourself stage. There is also this odd sense of entitlement mixed with bizarre
expectations. I don't remember many of my peers expecting to be given a job
where they didn't have to do normal work things like show up and get paid large
amounts of money. Oh, and to never be given negative feedback.
I realize every generation goes through this cycle that eventually ends up
with complaining about the younger generations. It makes me smile to see the
millennials switch from being the problem generation to whining about the
problem generation. But, I can't help but feel that there is something
fundamentally broken in a very non-similar-to-the-past way with many in the
latest crop.
On Fri, Sep 27, 2024, 7:52 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
I've often said this, but part of the issue is selection bias. People who
can't hack it will eventually either wise up or remove themselves from the
work force, and then the older cohort will look better as a consequence.
I'm at the borderline between "Gen X" and "Millennial", and people
complained and moaned about both age groups. We're senior staff and
management now and complaining about how lazy Gen Z is. You can find
news
articles from the 1800's complaining about "today's young people". This
is
the same wheel that's been turning since the beginning.
Ugg and Ogg sat in their cave knapping flint spearheads and complaining
about how wheels are making kids too lazy to do real work.
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From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2024 6:31 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads
I assume some percentage of people in the Gen Z cohort do want to work
hard
and build a successful career. Imagine you're a new grad hired into a work
from home or 2 days at the office company. That's got to be sub optimum. I
think the whole Covid work from home thing also relieved the first level
managers of actually doing their job - managing people. Or is that done by
AI now?
Article seems to say after a couple years of just griping about it, bosses
are starting to fire the non performers. So what were the bosses doing
until
now to earn their pay? Oooooh, firing people is hard! With newbies you
also
need to do feedback and mentoring, because according to the article,
colleges aren't preparing them for the world of work. And if these
companies
have accumulated a bunch of worthless employees with bad attitudes, that's
going to rub off on impressionable newbies. Honestly, that kind of
happened
to me at my first job after college.
Just my $0.02 worth.
---- Original Message ----
From: ch...@go-mtc.com
Sent: 9/26/2024 5:06:27 PM
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads
There seems to be a growing idea amongst the younger citizens that there
is
a universal human right to never suffer hurt feelings. The ultra woke I
think would see a world where you have to be nice all the time to
everyone,
irrespective of circumstance.
This was prophesied by Rod Serling:
https://youtu.be/QxTMbIxEj-E?si=KMH-oBOURYW7tPbM
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From: Jan-GAMs
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2024 3:46 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads
What did you expect? They're raised on TV and gameboxes and a diet that
literally had no food value, zero nutrition. Their brains never developed
and most of them are now living on adderal or ritilin.
They're non-functional humans and we have an entire generation of them.
With the attention-span of a fruit-fly. We might as well have used
lead-cookware, same result.
On 9/26/24 14:13, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> https://fortune.com/2024/09/26/bosses-firing-gen-z-grads-months-after-
> hiring/
>
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