Did roomates one time. At college. Total Animal House back in the
late 1970s. Fridge converted to a keg cooler. Sex, drugs, rock and
roll. I wasn’t down on the farm any more. My kids and grandkids
think of it as a mythological time, not sure it was real.
Anyone remember paraquat?
*From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Monday, September 30, 2024 10:04 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads
First apartment in 1998: $40/week for a bedroom. The living room,
kitchen, and 1 bathroom shared with 5 other guys. Power and heat were
included, and the group shared the cost of a phone. That place got
incredibly squalid, and some of my roommates were involved in illegal
activities. The police raided the place a few weeks after I moved
out. These drug dealers were very nice people though and I did feel
bad for them –When you think about it they work in sales, right? If
they’re any good at it they’re probably nice guys.
Second apartment in 1999: $540/month plus utilities. I had heat,
electric, and phone. I used email at work and opted not to have a
connection at home. I made $8/hour. By the time I paid the car
insurance I was broke every month. But it was cleaner because it was
just me. This was literally the only time in my life when I had my
own place. One year.
Third apartment in 2000 - 2003: Split a 2 BR house with 3 other guys.
Myself and one other guy shared the finished back porch which may or
may not have legally counted as a 3^rd bedroom. This one also got
squalid, but less so than the first one, and no nefarious activities.
We mostly all got along and had fun together.
I had one other apartment after that…..a nicer one where everybody had
their own room, but still shared. After that it was me and my wife.
Roommates were a grand adventure. Highly recommended.
-Adam
*From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
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There's still stigma associated with room mates. Every time I get in a
conversation about this, I'm beaten for daring to suggest having room
mates. It's always stuff like how dare I suggest a room mate to a
person whose bar as a single person with no kids being a 3 or 4
bedroom townhouse.
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*Sent: *Monday, September 30, 2024 9:37:10 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads
We bought the house where I still live in 1976 for $60,000. Had to
save up the 20% down payment. Was living in a $200/mo apartment. We
were "dinks" (dual income no kids) although my wife was going to
school part of that time.
Main difference today seems to be a shortage of houses. Also less
people seeing home ownership as the "American dream". And majority of
new housing comes with the dreaded HOA.
But for the people working gig jobs it's going to be tough to buy a
house. Or single parents. Not sure that's a generational thing.
The good news maybe is there's less of a stigma living with your
parents in your 20s or 30s to make ends meet. In my day you'd rather
live with 3 roommates in a run down apartment and eat ramen for every
meal, than live with mom and dad.
---- Original Message ----
From: dmmoff...@gmail.com
Sent: 9/30/2024 9:18:52 AM
To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'"
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads
The actual cost of the house was about half after adjusting for
inflation. https://www.longtermtrends.net/home-price-vs-inflation/
<https://www.longtermtrends.net/home-price-vs-inflation/>
Meanwhile, real wages have been flat.
I do believe it’s harder to save for the down payment. Your monthly
payment would be higher with a higher interest rate, but the bar
people have trouble crossing is saving for the down payment while also
paying their rent. If they can pay $1500/month in rent they could pay
$1500/month for a mortgage right? So I don’t think this problem is
imaginary.
I also believe we live in a free market wherein most of this is
determined by the collective decisions of millions of people. Blaming
any particular group of people is oversimplifying.
-Adam
*From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Robert
*Sent:* Friday, September 27, 2024 7:00 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads
And 13.5% mortgage rates. Buying a house in the 70's was Waaaay more
difficult than it is now...
On 9/27/24 12:06 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Sounds about right.
Only thing I'd add is I think the Internet contributes to this.
I hear from my 37 year old son how all these difficulties are
because the "boomers" broke everything and rigged the system
against them. I don't think the kids really know what a baby
boomer is, it's a synonym for "the olds".
At 37 he's not the Instagram/Tiktok generation, more the
Youtube/Reddit/podcast generation. But people are telling him the
boomers rigged the system and made life hard for him.
Hey, I am a boomer. I went through recessions, the Vietnam draft,
double digit inflation, the Arab oil embargo, the stock market
crash of 1987. Oh and JFK, John Lennon and Ronald Reagan being
shot. I figured I had it good because my dad and uncle fought in
WW2, and my grandfather lived through the Great Depression. But I
guess everything was just peachy until my generation conspired to
make life difficult for the "not olds".
---- Original Message ----
From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)"
Sent: 9/27/2024 12:42:26 PM
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads
My take on this is that most high school or college grads take a
while to figure out how to manage having a job. They also take a
while to accumulate enough resources and get paid enough that life
doesn't consist of working your ass off just to barely cover (or
not) essential living expenses. Most of us started out living in
crap conditions, eating whatever we could get for cheap, and
driving vehicles which were lucky to start on a good day.
The difference I see is that gen Z seems to blame the 'olds' for
their problems and don't understand that everyone goes through
this barely feeding yourself stage. There is also this odd sense
of entitlement mixed with bizarre expectations. I don't remember
many of my peers expecting to be given a job where they didn't
have to do normal work things like show up and get paid large
amounts of money. Oh, and to never be given negative feedback.
I realize every generation goes through this cycle that eventually
ends up with complaining about the younger generations. It makes
me smile to see the millennials switch from being the problem
generation to whining about the problem generation. But, I
can't help but feel that there is something fundamentally broken
in a very non-similar-to-the-past way with many in the latest crop.
On Fri, Sep 27, 2024, 7:52 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
I've often said this, but part of the issue is selection
bias. People who
can't hack it will eventually either wise up or remove
themselves from the
work force, and then the older cohort will look better as a
consequence.
I'm at the borderline between "Gen X" and "Millennial", and people
complained and moaned about both age groups. We're senior
staff and
management now and complaining about how lazy Gen Z is. You
can find news
articles from the 1800's complaining about "today's young
people". This is
the same wheel that's been turning since the beginning.
Ugg and Ogg sat in their cave knapping flint spearheads and
complaining
about how wheels are making kids too lazy to do real work.
-----Original Message-----
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2024 6:31 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads
I assume some percentage of people in the Gen Z cohort do want
to work hard
and build a successful career. Imagine you're a new grad hired
into a work
from home or 2 days at the office company. That's got to be
sub optimum. I
think the whole Covid work from home thing also relieved the
first level
managers of actually doing their job - managing people. Or is
that done by
AI now?
Article seems to say after a couple years of just griping
about it, bosses
are starting to fire the non performers. So what were the
bosses doing until
now to earn their pay? Oooooh, firing people is hard! With
newbies you also
need to do feedback and mentoring, because according to the
article,
colleges aren't preparing them for the world of work. And if
these companies
have accumulated a bunch of worthless employees with bad
attitudes, that's
going to rub off on impressionable newbies. Honestly, that
kind of happened
to me at my first job after college.
Just my $0.02 worth.
---- Original Message ----
From: ch...@go-mtc.com
Sent: 9/26/2024 5:06:27 PM
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads
There seems to be a growing idea amongst the younger citizens
that there is
a universal human right to never suffer hurt feelings. The
ultra woke I
think would see a world where you have to be nice all the time
to everyone,
irrespective of circumstance.
This was prophesied by Rod Serling:
https://youtu.be/QxTMbIxEj-E?si=KMH-oBOURYW7tPbM
<https://youtu.be/QxTMbIxEj-E?si=KMH-oBOURYW7tPbM>
-----Original Message-----
From: Jan-GAMs
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2024 3:46 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads
What did you expect? They're raised on TV and gameboxes and a
diet that
literally had no food value, zero nutrition. Their brains
never developed
and most of them are now living on adderal or ritilin.
They're non-functional humans and we have an entire generation
of them.
With the attention-span of a fruit-fly. We might as well have used
lead-cookware, same result.
On 9/26/24 14:13, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
https://fortune.com/2024/09/26/bosses-firing-gen-z-grads-months-after-
<https://fortune.com/2024/09/26/bosses-firing-gen-z-grads-months-after->
> hiring/
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